K-x的ISO不是非常好
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[1 楼] reddream [泡菜]
09-10-30 10:35
转贴+简单翻译
Falk Lumo给出了K7和K-x的精确对比测试。
基本结论是,光线好时K7更好,光线差时K-x更强,视频K7稍好。K-x的ISO1600和ISO3200噪点差别不大,细节有些差别,相当于K7的ISO1000。他说K-x的高ISO不是非常好,而是非常非常好(Outstanding)!在另外一篇帖子里说K-x是2009年DSLR 35mm动态范围的“冠军”。
此乃作者一家之言,YY也好,客观也罢,自行判断吧。感兴趣者自行翻墙去看看http://falklumo.blogspot.com/2009/10/lumolabs-pentax-k-x-vs-k-7-sensor-and.html。
原文如下:
Pentax has recently released a new SLR, the Pentax K-x. And while it is positioned at the entry-level market and very competitively priced, it is yet rumoured to have a very good noise performance.

After having done all my lab tests, I may say that the rumors are not true.

The truth is that the K-x may be the 35mm SLR camera which has the best high ISO noise and dynamic range performance to date. This isn't "very good". This is outstanding!

This is my concluding summary which is based on the following individual articles:
Lumolabs: Pentax K-7 HD video quality
Lumolabs: Pentax K-x HD video quality
Lumolabs: Pentax K-7 sensor quality
Lumolabs: Pentax K-x sensor quality

Noise and Dynamic Range comparison:

At the top of the article is a compilation of various gray sample patches for both cameras, for direct comparison. The patches are from linear raw files (cf. "further reading" at the end of the article).

The resulting 18% gray level chart is like this:


Signal to noise ratio of 18% gray luminosity and color temperature 2900°K (halogen tungsten). Using manufacturer ISO stops 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800. The interpretation of results is the same as for the corresponding graphs on dxomark.com. E.g., print-normalization is for 8 megapixels. The dotted lines indicate the slope for pure photon shot noise.

Obviously, the K-x has no true ISO 100 and both cameras reduce noise even in RAW at ISO 3200 and higher. The ISO sensitivity of the K-x seems to be slightly higher, like at ISO 100, true ISO were more like 87 for the K-7 (DxO's value for the K20D) and 105 for the K-x. However, the above curves have not been left/right-shifted to take this into account.

Gray level noise at ISO 1600/3200 for the K-x is about the same as at ISO 1000 for the K-7. While gray level noise at ISO 1600 and 3200 are about the same for the K-x, there is a minimal loss of resolution when looking at the pattern part in the full test charts. Nothing serious, though.


Signal to noise ratio (SNR) for the Pentax K-7 and K-x. Full measurement for various luminosities and ISO settings at color temperature 2900°K. Measurement similiar to dxomark.com. The dotted lines indicate the slope for pure photon shot noise. The flattening at 30% gray and brighter is believed to be due to systematic measurement errors like imperfect gray patches. The dashed curves for the K-x have been properly normalized to match the higher sensor resolution of the K-7.

The curve for K-7 only and test images are at:
Full SNR Pentax K-7

The curve for K-x only and test images are at:
Full SNR Pentax K-x

The K-x/ISO 200 and K-7/ISO 100 curves are almost identical down to 1% luminosity.

The full SNR graph clearly exhibits the true strength of the K-x sensor: it maintains the good SNR at low luminosity levels. This is an indication that the read-out noise from this sensor is very low.

Therefore, the K-x sensor outperforms the K-7 in low light situations whereas the K-7 outperforms the K-x in good light. This is further confirmed by the better resolution and more artifact-free images from the K-7.

Video:

The quality from HD video is very good. The resolution is as high as the 720p mode allows. It somewhat more moiré and color moiré artifacts than the K-7 and therefore, may not exactly match its analog and film-like quality in 720p mode. But it is very good nevertheless.

Conclusion:

The Pentax K-x has a sensor which rivals the best. That Pentax makes it available in the entry-level class is a good thing. On the other hand, the Pentax K-7 excells in many respects and even its noise performance isn't bad. It is in line with the rest of the competition which is beaten by the K-x in this respect now.

Pentax K-x: "Editor's choice" (entry level, available light)
Pentax K-7: "Editor's choice" (semi professional)

[reddream 编辑于 2009-10-30 10:45]
[25 楼] qiezhuan [泡菜]
09-10-30 19:25
棒子的东西,差不多就知足啦!
[24 楼] reddream [泡菜]
09-10-30 15:56
原文由 shyktibet 发表
LZ黑K7...

我自己就用K7,其实你看看他博客对于K7的评测,评价也是很高的。
[23 楼] 2328007 [泡菜]
09-10-30 14:49
原文由 拍色忒 发表
宾得还没关门阿

尼康当年也传出给索尼收购,结果是美能达消失了
[22 楼] 王浩舟 [资深泡菜]
09-10-30 14:19
高ISO不是非常好,而是非常非常好~~~囧~
[21 楼] shyktibet [泡菜]
09-10-30 14:17
LZ黑K7...
[20 楼] opensy [资深泡菜]
09-10-30 13:30
初看以为是解毒贴,细看原来是放毒贴。。。
[19 楼] 虚化 [资深泡菜]
09-10-30 12:40
这里还有一个kx评测
http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/pentax_kx_review/image_quality/

可以对比下7D
http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/canon_eos_7d_review/image_quality/

Kx很有可能是高ISO最好aps-c,至少是之一
[18 楼] tho781027 [泡菜]
09-10-30 12:27
原文由 拍色忒 发表
宾得还没关门阿

应该还没关门吧,不然还会出这么好的小机机?
[17 楼] 极地苍狼 [资深泡菜]
09-10-30 11:29
原文由 zy225 发表
要是K7内置K-X的这块COMS就完美了。使我一直在K7和K-X之间犹豫不定。不过刚出新机就出纪念版真的应该鄙视一下。也许宾得的日子真的不长了。


看问题全面点吧,如果K7用这块芯,那就不是K7而是K30.
[16 楼] 拍色忒 [泡菜]
09-10-30 11:29
宾得还没关门阿
[15 楼] zy225 [泡菜]
09-10-30 11:20
要是K7内置K-X的这块COMS就完美了。使我一直在K7和K-X之间犹豫不定。不过刚出新机就出纪念版真的应该鄙视一下。也许宾得的日子真的不长了。
[14 楼] xrto [泡菜]
09-10-30 11:18
我面对K7也毫不动摇的心开始慢慢萌动了
[13 楼] lzg790522 [泡菜]
09-10-30 11:10
光线好时,k7比kx强一点,光线不好时,kx比k7强不少呢,尤其是高感
[12 楼] 小蹦 [资深泡菜]
09-10-30 11:05
哈哈哈哈~

以前用K20D,看看C\N,觉得如果对焦够快的话,K20D就完美了;

后来上K-7,看看K-x,觉得如果高感够强的话,K-7就完美了;

现在只好用着K-7,看着K-x,等着K-8了。。。
[11 楼] victor4u [资深泡菜]
09-10-30 10:59
原文由 pnp1 发表

恩,的确不是“非常好”。


[10 楼] Jackco [泡菜]
09-10-30 10:55
靠,本想解解毒,谁知更中毒!
[9 楼] 六米 [泡菜]
09-10-30 10:51
这标题起的不是非常有水平
[8 楼] reddream [泡菜]
09-10-30 10:49
原文由 冰林城下 发表
标题党!不过K-x的高感这个是真的好。

不好意思,偶尔发贴就成标题党了。
[7 楼] pnp1 [禁言中]
09-10-30 10:42
原文由 reddream 发表

The truth is that the K-x may be the 35mm SLR camera which has the best high ISO noise and dynamic range performance to date. This isn't "very good". This is outstanding!


恩,的确不是“非常好”。
[6 楼] 冰林城下 [泡菜]
09-10-30 10:42
标题党!不过K-x的高感这个是真的好。
[5 楼] 无冕 [泡菜]
09-10-30 10:41
白马非马
[4 楼] reddream [泡菜]
09-10-30 10:40
第二张是FULL SNR
[3 楼] SleepingIII [泡菜]
09-10-30 10:39
定位于低端的机子,在高感控噪这么关键的性能上,当然不会非常好.
[2 楼] reddream [泡菜]
09-10-30 10:39
补充文中的两张图。第一张是18%灰

[reddream 编辑于 2009-10-30 10:40]