(ZT)北汽昨天买了Saab 9-5的生产线
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[1 楼] neon [陈年泡菜]
09-12-5 10:23
Saab business with the Chinese finished

Beijing Automotive Industry, BAIC, has already bought the production tools to the old 9-5-model, according to sources at New Technology (Ny Teknik). "I can not comment on it," says Ms Gustav, spokesperson for Saab Automobile.

....It has been speculated in the media that Baic just want Saab's technology. Ny Teknik said at the end of October that Saab started to disassemble the tooling used to produce the old 9-5 model. The plan was then to ship the production tools to China, since the idea was that the new Saab 9-5 to start production in Trollhättan after year-end.

.......BAIC was previously included in the investor group led by the Swedish Koenigsegg. So burst the approach of noises. But then BAIC has said it is willing to make a deal on their own.

A dozen Chinese technicians have previously been through the production equipment for both 9-5 as 9.3, according Ny Teknik's sources.

"I can not comment on it," says Ms Gustav, spokesperson for Saab Automobile.

[2009-12-05 10:57 补充如下]
[35 楼] 柯纳 [资深泡菜]
09-12-9 03:55
北汽只想买部分Saab:技术和生产线,其他的没兴趣。

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B706Q20091208

GM继续找买家。
[34 楼] katsura [泡菜]
09-12-8 10:02
Those who never drove a Saab should Shut the Effing Up.
[33 楼] neon [陈年泡菜]
09-12-7 20:55
这段评论挺有意思
Beijing Automotive (owned by the city of Beijing, ergo...owned by the government) have apparently nabbed the older Saab tooling they were after and news reports say they've got the OK for a multi-billion dollar line of credit from the Bank of China (owned by the Chinese government). So the government's OK'd a loan to itself? That doesn't explain yet how GM (owned by the US government) will sell it's latest technology in the form of the new Saab 9-5 to one of GM's own rivals in China.
[32 楼] tgl11 [资深泡菜]
09-12-7 19:51
生产线有啥用?5年就论斤卖的价了!

去把人挖过来。。。。
[31 楼] airstream [资深泡菜]
09-12-7 19:11
想山寨萨博?
[30 楼] 催化剂 [资深泡菜]
09-12-7 18:44
两家也算是绝配:扶不起的阿斗
[29 楼] yunwuchen [资深泡菜]
09-12-7 11:42
俺看要是mm开二蛋才叫酷

可比骑跨子
[28 楼] 不误正业 [禁言中]
09-12-7 11:27
原文由 SRT101 在2009-12-05 17:10发表
要是用心造车,2020不比JEEP差
何必去买SAAB


今天早晨看见一个MM开一辆2门的牧马人, 那叫一个酷.

如果当年2020好好做, 应该市场还是有的.
[27 楼] 柯纳 [资深泡菜]
09-12-7 11:25
原文由 neon 在2009-12-07 11:05发表
弄成国家行为就没意思了。


感觉中国在重复日本20多年前走过的路,才刚刚开始尝试跨出国境。
[26 楼] KNDETIE [泡菜]
09-12-7 11:22
有200亿应该去造飞机,真正的飞机。

俺估计到最后交的是学费,造的是:“水漂”。
[25 楼] forest9898_cn [陈年泡菜]
09-12-7 11:10
原文由 SRT101 在2009-12-05 17:10发表
要是用心造车,2020不比JEEP差
何必去买SAAB


顶这句
[24 楼] neon [陈年泡菜]
09-12-7 11:05
原文由 柯纳 在2009-12-07 03:07发表
楼下都在扯啥?

BAIC的新闻,中国银行给它200亿人民币信用。

中国银行200亿元支持北汽集团
2009-12-05 10:30:00 来源: 上海证券报

  4日,中国银行北京市分行与北京汽车工业控股有限责任公司在京签署200亿元人民币《全面战略合作协议》,中行北京市分行将充分发挥多元化和全球化的独特优势,为北汽控股集 ......


弄成国家行为就没意思了。
[23 楼] neon [陈年泡菜]
09-12-7 11:03
原文由 applemaker 在2009-12-06 21:17发表

SAAB-93 就是换个壳的 SUBARU   

但是萨博会飞啊 是欧洲血统啊 所以牛啊


今儿喝了几两?
[22 楼] 柯纳 [资深泡菜]
09-12-7 03:07
楼下都在扯啥?

BAIC的新闻,中国银行给它200亿人民币信用。

中国银行200亿元支持北汽集团
2009-12-05 10:30:00 来源: 上海证券报

  4日,中国银行北京市分行与北京汽车工业控股有限责任公司在京签署200亿元人民币《全面战略合作协议》,中行北京市分行将充分发挥多元化和全球化的独特优势,为北汽控股集团提供全方位的金融服务,全力协助北汽控股集团构建中国一流大型汽车企业集团。

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSPEK20226320091204

UPDATE 1-BAIC obtains $2.9 bln credit line from Bank of China
Fri Dec 4, 2009 4:21am EST

* BAIC has said might still be interested in Saab (Adds BAIC reaction, analyst comment, background)

BEIJING, Dec 4 (Reuters) - Beijing Automotive Industry Holding Corp (BAIC) has obtained a 20 billion yuan ($2.93 billion) line of credit from the Bank of China (601988.SS)(3988.HK), the bank said on Friday.

BAIC has said it might still be interested in buying General Motors' [GM.UL] Saab unit, after a consortium led by tiny Swedish luxury car maker Koenigsegg, pulled out of talks last week. BAIC was a member of that consortium.[ID:nPEK20085]

BAIC declined to comment.

Major Chinese carmakers are hungry for money to upgrade their technologies, expand production scale and eventually tap into the global market, and it is reasonable for Chinese banks, controlled by the government, to provide them with liquidity.

The credit that BAIC, China's fifth-biggest carmaker, gets is seen enough to boost the production scale of the Beijing-based automaker, which does not even have its own car brand.

Its four-year old Mercedes-Benz car venture with Daimler AG (DAIGn.DE) broke even last year and its tie-up with Hyundai Motor Co (005380.KS) has a long way to go before catching up with top players in the market such as Volkswagen AG (VOWG.DE).

"Twenty billion yuan is more than enough for production expansion," said Li Chunbo, an analyst with CITIC Securities.

A day earlier, Chinese car and battery maker BYD Co Ltd (1211.HK) received 15 billion yuan in credit from the Bank of China, to expand its investment in battery, new energy and car sectors.[ID:nPEK209770]

Several Chinese auto companies are keen to break into foreign markets and are aggressively developing their own brands in a bid to move up the value chain from the small, low-priced segment.

Geely, the Chinese carmaker picked as the preferred bidder for Ford Motor's (F.N) Volvo unit, is said to be seeking at least $1 billion in loans from Chinese banks, including Bank of China, to finance its $1.8 billion bid. [ID:nHKG130867] ($=6.83 yuan) (Reporting by Michael Wei and Simon Rabinovitch; Editing by Ken Wills) (([email protected]; +8610 6627 1003; Reuters Messaging: [email protected])) ((If you have a query or comment on this story, send an email to [email protected]))
[21 楼] applemaker [资深泡菜]
09-12-6 21:17
原文由 neon 在2009-12-05 10:23发表
Saab business with the Chinese finished

Beijing Automotive Industry, BAIC, has already bought the production tools to the old 9-5-model, according to sources at New Technology (Ny Teknik). "I can not comment on it," says Ms Gustav, spokesperson for Saab Automobile.

....It has been sp ......


SAAB-93 就是换个壳的 SUBARU   

但是萨博会飞啊 是欧洲血统啊 所以牛啊
[20 楼] 移轴大镜头 [泡菜]
09-12-6 04:51
从实际上来看,萨博这次所谓的升级,其实也是更换过时的设备和工装。

萨博基于老车型的工装是什么时候的东西?也许落后的设备才是萨博车粗陋的主要原因。要知道,1985年版的扎努西设备,如今在国内仍然为不少品牌的电冰箱生产压缩机。
[19 楼] neon [陈年泡菜]
09-12-5 19:26
原文由 柯纳 在2009-12-05 18:46发表

这很清楚啊,10月底Saab开始拆卸生产旧型号9-5的生产线,年后开始生产新型号9-5。

9-5要换代,照片都满天飞了。

Beijing Automotive Industry, BAIC, has already bought the production tools to the old 9-5-model...

Ny Teknik said at the end of October that Saab started to disassemble the to ......


汗-_-!
我说我
[18 楼] 九九八八 [资深泡菜]
09-12-5 19:06
原文由 3887182 在2009-12-05 18:18发表
其实saab=subaru ,但是saab毛病多,质量不好。


就一次。
[17 楼] 柯纳 [资深泡菜]
09-12-5 18:46
原文由 neon 在2009-12-05 15:42发表
没注是现款,但也没说是新款啊。


这很清楚啊,10月底Saab开始拆卸生产旧型号9-5的生产线,年后开始生产新型号9-5。

9-5要换代,照片都满天飞了。

Beijing Automotive Industry, BAIC, has already bought the production tools to the old 9-5-model...

Ny Teknik said at the end of October that Saab started to disassemble the tooling used to produce the old 9-5 model. The plan was then to ship the production tools to China, since the idea was that the new Saab 9-5 to start production in Trollhattan after year-end.
[16 楼] neon [陈年泡菜]
09-12-5 18:41
原文由 3887182 在2009-12-05 18:18发表
其实saab=subaru ,但是saab毛病多,质量不好。


不及格,再去做做功课
[15 楼] 辘轳仙影 [资深泡菜]
09-12-5 18:23
我是进来看冤大头的。
[14 楼] 3887182 [泡菜]
09-12-5 18:18
其实saab=subaru ,但是saab毛病多,质量不好。
[13 楼] neon [陈年泡菜]
09-12-5 18:15
原文由 移轴大镜头 在2009-12-05 17:56发表
萨博是我见过进口车里工艺仅次于JEEP和道奇的,这么糟糕的生产线为什么还要买?难道北汽对塑料内饰有兴趣?


这就对了,北汽生产过什么车?
[12 楼] 移轴大镜头 [泡菜]
09-12-5 17:56
萨博是我见过进口车里工艺仅次于JEEP和道奇的,这么糟糕的生产线为什么还要买?难道北汽对塑料内饰有兴趣?
[11 楼] SRT101 [陈年泡菜]
09-12-5 17:10
要是用心造车,2020不比JEEP差
何必去买SAAB
[10 楼] yunwuchen [资深泡菜]
09-12-5 17:01
就算买到技术也买不到诀窍

做个东西出来还不像样

自主创新离得远了
[9 楼] neon [陈年泡菜]
09-12-5 16:46
原文由 一九七八 在2009-12-05 16:34发表
国人咋这有钱?到处购买厂家、生产线、品牌、技术……


貌似钱不是问题:
Beijing Automotive have apparently received approval for a loan equating to almost US$3billion from the Bank of China, which would put them in a pretty strong financial position in terms of making an offer to purchase Saab.

Money doesn't seem to be a problem. Getting technology agreements from GM must still remain, however.

That doesn't seem to deter the Chinese, though, who in a report from TTELA appear to be quite serious in their acquisition plans and committed to developing Saab.
[8 楼] 一九七八 [资深泡菜]
09-12-5 16:34
国人咋这有钱?到处购买厂家、生产线、品牌、技术……
[7 楼] neon [陈年泡菜]
09-12-5 15:42
原文由 柯纳 在2009-12-05 15:38发表
标题有误,买的是马上要被淘汰的本代9-5生产线上的工具,因为新型号9-5要用不同工具。


没注是现款,但也没说是新款啊。
不标题党,看LX的回复就知道更没人进来看了。