没有新东西，没有模型。

http://www.photoclubalpha.com/2010/09/20/battle-lines-drawn-at-photokina/

Battle lines drawn at photokina
By admin, on September 20th, 2010
Rating 3.00 out of 5

Samsung and Sony are set for a battle royal over the next couple of years. At photokina, Samsung’s Monday 20th press conference made great store of ‘all our own work’ – that everything in the NX100 was sourced within Samsung. From the floor, a question far cheekier than I would have dared ask – ‘Are you working on making low noise sensors?’ – from Samsung, a deadpan reply that they were, indeed, working on lower noise sensors.

The NX100 is superficially a great concept, but the design based on ‘a dewdrop forming on a leaf’ has been seen before (it slips out the hand as easily as a dewdrop from a leaf) and is based on the idea that today’s rear-screen composers use two hands to hold the camera. Well, I have news for Samsung; they don’t. They generally use one. Even I do. So having aperture control from the focus ring of the lens, like an old-fashioned compact or rangefinder leaf-shutter model, is not a winner when your left hand is not actually going to be anywhere near the camera.

At the Pentax stand, marketing chief for the UK Marilyn Dixon proudly showed the K-5. I will admit, this is the camera Sony should have been showing. “We must tell you straight away that this camera uses a Sony sensor”, she said. “Sony make very good sensors”. What of Samsung? She was not sure if they were still selling any K-mount cameras. Pentax might never have used a Samsung sensor, ever, from the impression gained. They were using Sony sensors and Sony were the best.

Samsung previewed a line of rollout lenses from 2010 to 2012 for the NX100. The last phase included an 18-200mm and a 16mm f/2.8 pancake – they were going to match Sony blow for blow, and add half a dozen of the lenses which Sony NEX adopters most wanted. And they said they would issue a firmware update for the NX10 to allow it to use the new i-Fn (assignable function to the focus ring) lenes. But they had little care whether NX10 or NX100 were fully cross compatible with the glass in their owners’ hands now and to follow. Clearly the NX10 is a past episode; the NX100 is the real thing.

What a contrast at Pentax! No plans for an EVIL future. But – did you know that every Pentax lens with an ultrasonic motor also has a screw drive? And every screw drive body can also operate those lenses, and every new body can operate both types?

We have yet to visit Sony, but there is nothing new – A33, A55, A560, A580. There is nothing with the magnesium body, weather seals, superb glass prism, workable contrast-detect AF, and lovely compact but chunky size of the K-5. It has been left to Nikon (D7000, based on D90) and Pentax to be the first to exploit the new Sony 16 megapixel sensor in a semiprofessional body.

And Panasonic – they were great, inviting us on to an empty half-finished stand to see the latest stuff. Including a 14mm f/2.5 pancake looking so much like the NEX 16mm!

Samsung said that this year’s 1.4 million mirrorless camera sales would rise to over 15 million and eclipse DSLR sales by 2015. Maybe they are right. They also say they will be the leader. Who knows?

- David Kilpatrick

[2010-09-21 07:09 补充如下]

补充翻译：小S和大S注定要在未来两年内面对面大战。在photokina上，小S20日星期一的记者发布会上特别强调所有有的东西都是自己研发的--NX100上所有部件技术，都是小S内部自己解决的。从观众席上，有人提出了一个很无礼，我自己都没敢问的问题 - 你们在研发低噪音的感光器吗？小S面无表情的回答：是的，他们在。

[2010-09-21 07:17 补充如下]

NX100在表面上来看是一个伟大的概念，但是这个基于“树叶上正在形成的露珠”的设计概念以前曾经见过（并且它也像树叶上的露珠一样会很容易从你手里滑走）。这个概念是基于如今的摄影师都双手持机，用背屏取景的想法。好吧，我有个新闻告诉小S: 他们不这样。他们只是用过这样的产品，我也是。所以像老式旁轴或者RF那样从对焦环上控制光圈不是啥好主意，特别是当你的左手实际上离相机很远的时候。

[2010-09-21 07:21 补充如下]

在宾德展台上，英国市场主管玛丽莲弟可松骄傲的展示了K-5。我必须承认，这就是大S需要展示的。“我们必须坦白的告诉你，这款相机使用了一个大S的感光器”，她说，“大S做的感光器真好。”那小S呢？她不确定小S是否还在卖k口的相机。宾德恐怕再也不会用小S的感光器了，再也不会，从印象上来看。他们使用大S的感光器，大S最棒。

[2010-09-21 07:27 补充如下]

小S给我们预览的2010-2012将要出现的镜头。最后是18-200mm和16/2.8饼干 - 他们打算回击大S的每次攻击，然后再推出半打NEX用户最想要的镜头。他们说他们将给NX10提供固件，让NX10也能使用i-Fn(给对焦环定义不同功能）经哦图。但是他们很少关心不管是NX10还是NX100是不是能和用户已有镜头完全兼容。很明显，NX10已经是过去式了，NX100才是现在。

[2010-09-21 07:29 补充如下]

这和宾德正相反，宾德还没有EVIL的计划，但是，你知道所有的宾德带超声波马达的镜头都带着螺丝口？所有的螺丝对焦的机身都能操作这些镜头，并且所有新机身都能操作两种镜头？

[2010-09-21 07:34 补充如下]

我们也去访问了大S，但是没有新东西，A33, A55, A560, A580，没有镁合金机身，没有防水防尘，没有超亮五棱镜，没有可工作的反差对焦，没有小巧而坚实的K-5。只有耐克(基于D90的D7000)和宾德是第一个在半专业机身上使用新16M感光器的。

还有松下 - 他们太棒了，邀请我看参观了空荡荡还没有完工的展台去看看最新的产品，包括了14/2.5饼干看上去真像NEX 16mm!

小S说今年一百四十万无反相机销量会在2015年升高到一千五百万，并且完全盖住单反销量。也许他们是对的，他们还说他们会是业界领军者，谁知道呢。

- David Kilpatrick

+1，支持！

Zeiss展台上都有些什么东西呢？
比较关注这个。

虽然已经先读了英文，但后面的翻译的确不错。

不是惊喜,是惊呆,说的是价格.

嗯，说会有新的30/2 ifn和1855 ifn的。旧30/2用户比较悲剧。

ifn只是个电子功能，因为这个导致镜头卡口不通用？不太可能。棒子精着呢。

惊喜也只有k5了

我带过去的只有1855，30没有~~

[用a的ET 编辑于 2010-09-21 10:35]

路过

没有模型，这个是现在最好的消息，有模型就意味着这次展会没惊喜了

求真相：http://unwire.hk/2010/09/15/samsung-nx100-preview/

+1

They were using Sony sensors and Sony were the best.

-- 这句听着很放心。索粉无忧。

能……NX100插1855，NX10插2050，我都试过

思密达小S一如既往的传承了思密达无敌的思想，思密达~~

回帖不看帖啊

不会吧。啥惊喜都没有？都等了一个月了...

有没有新型中端机或者全副机的模型？

有稍微有点信用度的网站说法么？

官网，dpr, i-r都没提这点。官网上附件里有老头，镜头兼容表上有Samsung NX mount

那就求一张nx100上“老头”的照片

3*官网上NX100的附件里有老头啊

SONY是渣.
阿丧倒是信心满满的,棒子本色尽现,好在,没说相机是他发明的.

各大网站收到的都只是那两个i fn镜头

有这等事？为啥我没看到这些评测网站提到呢？

屹今为止，楼主见过小s NX100能插上非i fn镜头吗？

我们也去访问了大S，但是没有新东西，A33, A55, A560, A580，没有镁合金机身，没有防水防尘，没有超亮五棱镜，没有可工作的反差对焦，没有小巧而坚实的K-5。只有耐克(基于D90的D7000)和宾德是第一个在半专业机身上使用新16M感光器的。

还有松下 - 他们太棒了，邀请我看参观了空荡荡还没有完工的展台去看看最新的产品，包括了14/2.5饼干看上去真像NEX 16mm!

小S说今年一百四十万无反相机销量会在2015年升高到一千五百万，并且完全盖住单反销量。也许他们是对的，他们还说他们会是业界领军者，谁知道呢。

- David Kilpatrick

这和宾德正相反，宾德还没有EVIL的计划，但是，你知道所有的宾德带超声波马达的镜头都带着螺丝口？所有的螺丝对焦的机身都能操作这些镜头，并且所有新机身都能操作两种镜头？

小S给我们预览的2010-2012将要出现的镜头。最后是18-200mm和16/2.8饼干 - 他们打算回击大S的每次攻击，然后再推出半打NEX用户最想要的镜头。他们说他们将给NX10提供固件，让NX10也能使用i-Fn(给对焦环定义不同功能）经哦图。但是他们很少关心不管是NX10还是NX100是不是能和用户已有镜头完全兼容。很明显，NX10已经是过去式了，NX100才是现在。

在宾德展台上，英国市场主管玛丽莲弟可松骄傲的展示了K-5。我必须承认，这就是大S需要展示的。“我们必须坦白的告诉你，这款相机使用了一个大S的感光器”，她说，“大S做的感光器真好。”那小S呢？她不确定小S是否还在卖k口的相机。宾德恐怕再也不会用小S的感光器了，再也不会，从印象上来看。他们使用大S的感光器，大S最棒。