为啥我SD15带17-50 OS卖5000那么多人喊贵呢

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真正的用户面对产品缺陷和问题，是抱怨投诉还是大唱赞歌呢？？呵呵，不言而喻。

你果然看自己看得很透彻

果然，诽谤别人的人都是畜生啊 本帖最后由 命运没有路 于 2013-7-24 19:47 编辑

sd1m6600了？哪卖的？

笑死爷了，内容都在帖子上，自己看吧
简直就是一喷水机啊，不错不错，亲，泼水节还没到，别急的泼

再吹死马也是日本制造的耻辱：

1， 到dpreview网站上看，说跑焦的和质量的用户比比皆是，国内也是，这绝不是哪个人或组织要黑适马。
     
2，国外一家出租镜头的公司，出了个“sigma saga”的通告，意思是适马的质控差，不再提供部分适马的镜头出租。这个公告原文已经找不到了，但有人将它拷到论坛上讨论，至今这个拷贝的文章还在，对原文的链接还有。（见后）

3.    Photozone上对死马的产品评价，最典型的是适马5014在佳能APS-C机身上的测试，该头最初评价是“强烈推荐”，但不知何时因为镜头对焦原因“强烈推荐”被取消了，光学评价也被降级。
4.     适马的DP机器，在无忌论坛上已经被发现大面积的出现故障，并且快门数普遍不高，有的只有几千。

Sigma saga 的链接及原文
http://www.sandiegodslr.com/?q=node/578
"For about a year now, we’ve had internal discussions at Lensrentals about carrying Sigma lenses. On the one hand, Sigma makes some excellent and unique lenses that are at a very attractive price. Some of them, like the 120-300 f2.8, 50-150 f2.8, and the 150-500 zooms are unique: there are no other lenses of similar aperture and focal length. And we know a lot of our customers are interested in trying these lenses to decide if they’re reasonable alternatives to the ‘brand names’ so we were one of the first rental houses to stock Sigma, and still stock more varieties and copies than anyone else.
Since day 1 the Sigma brand has always been a bit of a money loser for us: they broke more frequently than the other brands. Our techs coined the phrase “Sigma’d” to describe any lens that didn’t function. When they did break, the repair turnaround time was, to be charitable, leisurely. We knew to buy a replacement, it would usually be several weeks and often a couple of months before we got the original copy returned repaired. But we knew a lot of you wanted to try these lenses and its our job to have what you want, so we stocked them.
In the last year, however, things have gotten much, much worse. One third of the Sigma 150-500 and 120-400 lenses we bought were defective out of the box and had to be exchanged. Several more broke during their first and second rentals. New copies of other Sigma lenses showed up with high defective rates out of the box. Repairs have become even slower and now even our routine in-warranty repairs are being refused and billed as ‘customer damage’, even though we’ve never rented them out, simply tested them.
Several weeks ago we placed warnings on a number of lenses that they were ‘high risk’ of failure. All but two of these were Sigma, despite the fact that Sigma is less than 7% of our lens inventory. When we looked at our actual numbers things were even more bleak: Sigma lenses failed at a rate of 30% per year, compared to less than 5% for Canon, Tamron, Nikon, Tokina, and Zeiss. We weren’t losing a little bit of money anymore, we were losing a fair amount. More importantly, far more importantly, we had customers who rented lenses for important shoots and the lenses failed to work properly. Sigma was about 5% of our rentals but almost one-third of our customer complaints.
We aren’t going to stop renting Sigma entirely but we are going to close out two lines (the 150-500 and 120-400) that have developed so many problems as to be unusable. We will not stock Sigma when there are better alternatives (70-200 f2.8, 24-70 f2.8 for example). We will continue to carry those Sigma lenses that are unique and where there aren’t more reliable options (120-300 f2.8 for example), at least for now, but we are not going to offer our “2 in 2” guarantee on Sigma products any longer. The reason is simple: we’re happy to buy a new copy for you to rent, but in the case of Sigma we may have to buy 2 or 3 new copies to get one that passes inspection. There isn’t time to do that in two weeks.
We’ll monitor the situation and hope that someday soon Sigma gets their quality control back to “below average” from its current “worse than imaginable” and we can stock them like the other lenses in our lineup.
Thank you,
Roger Cicala"
本帖最后由 civma 于 2013-7-24 12:41 编辑

你见过到手第二天就挂掉的SD15吗？你的挂掉的标准是什么？

贵了，作为一台可能到手第二天就挂掉的机器，你有考虑过买家的感受吗？

果然，又喷了，而且是无根据的瞎喷
哥神马时候说过5D2完秒5D3？

自己2不重要，出来诽谤别人就不好了

现在euro 兑rmb 是8.1

那应该是3200喽。。。。。

2011年的时候，德国ebay上面全新SD15配17-50 os才399欧元啊。一口价的形式啊！

当时汇率才8.7

说到底，所有的观点问题都是利益问题。屁股决定脑袋。

这个论坛很多人一看到真实的反对意见上来就喷，不过是孔方兄闹的。有的已经深陷死马泥潭了，二手腰斩，膝盖价，进退维谷。最为不齿的是一些js，仗着死马在大陆没有销售点，利用这个论坛来吹捧剥削大陆人血汗，可惜是个不合格的半成品，赖狗扶不上墙，市场占有率到现在连8万分之一都没有。

对于sigma x3来说，无忌马帮就是一个cctv。

本帖最后由 stevenjdsr 于 2013-7-23 11:36 编辑

你这么能喷啊，你吹5D2完秒5D3算啥呢 本帖最后由 sharopova 于 2013-7-23 10:26 编辑

笑死哥了，内容都在帖子上，自己看吧
某人不是来询问价格的，只要一有人说不值那个价，某人就立刻开喷，
简直就是一喷水机啊，不错不错，亲，泼水节还没到，别急的泼

请列出我出尔反尔的原文，不要满嘴乱喷

自己说了5000，还不承认
哎
器材贬值，不要接受不了，黄金都贬值了，

1750算不上牛头，但在适马x3里也就将就用了。2300全新的价格还是可以的，不过似乎是拆机头的价格

这也从侧面证明sd1m价格铁定会继续大幅下行。

看来你真的没看懂啊，请问，我不承认啥了？

这句话是你说的吧？
睁眼说瞎话
自己说了5000，还不承认
哎
器材贬值，不要接受不了，黄金都贬值了，

回复 sharopova 的帖子
这句话是你说的吧？
睁眼说瞎话
自己说了5000，还不承认
哎
器材贬值，不要接受不了，黄金都贬值了，

那我啥也不说了，给你赚点，我出7K/部你给我10部SD1M，我出2.5K/只，你给我10只全新行货17-50 OS，赶紧的，别墨迹

本帖最后由 sharopova 于 2013-7-22 15:11 编辑

呵呵，5500？哥本来就无所谓卖不卖，蜂鸟也是以前随便一挂。
而且你有点逻辑行不，我何时说的我在蜂鸟卖5000？只能在蜂鸟卖？我在蜂鸟卖多少钱跟此帖有任何关系？
此头是啥机器的套头跟价格有关系？你是说此头该卖2000？套头就该价格贱？套头24-105L你咋不去喷？
看你言归正传也啥也没说啊，你倒是说一下啊，该卖多少钱啊，别老让我自己算啊，还言归正传，叫我去看也叫言归正传？那你到底说了啥呢？
本帖最后由 sharopova 于 2013-7-22 15:20 编辑

特意去隔壁看了下
兰州你就诚实点吧
你丫在蜂鸟卖的是5500一套不刀
别在这里就5000
就算5000，也不便宜，你那个所谓的牛头，其实就是sd1m的套头
中心成像好，边缘很一般，sd1m的绝配是18-35f1.8

言归正传吧，你自己可以看看17-50 os的价格，还有sd15的价格，在自己加起来，算算贵还是不贵

没别的意思，买卖不成仁义在。我看了下淘宝，几乎所有店家sd1m套机的全新1750都是2400rmb
所以我估计二手镜头适马一般折旧20%以上的话，应该是2000左右，机身二手sd15也就两千出头
当然了，如果像那位朋友说的遇到有缘人，也许会出更高。况且现在sd1m都有6k多的了哦

谢谢。
不过我不关心怎么容易卖掉，我仅仅是来调查下我这价格要多了没有，卖不卖的无所谓

新机机身报价3400，我一直在犹豫，我有5、6颗M42头，在SD1M上基本用不成。
http://item.※※※※※※.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5.w4002-713262436.96.BGGVsI&id=12995485392

X3机器不以价格而以缘分成交，报个价格挂在网上缘分到了自然就成交了，没有遇到有缘人，倒贴钱看有人要吗。

如果机器没啥毛病，成色不差的话，这个价格是不比目前的二手市场高，可以换个方案：分开卖。 本帖最后由 良晨玫景 于 2013-7-22 08:06 编辑

意思是机身2K牛头2K？
其实你多少钱考虑我并不关心，我卖5K，暂时没人要就算了，反正是小众市场 本帖最后由 sharopova 于 2013-7-22 01:12 编辑