[1 楼] wywkof
[泡菜]
13-7-30 08:02
爬完微单入魔的回帖,基本上适马的发布内容已经很明确了,连山木社长的采访都直接给贴上了
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/sigma-to-launch-something-big-soon-is-it-a-new-mirrorless-system/
不是新镜头,也没有新相机,简单来说好像是改换镜头卡口之类的系统,具体怎么个弄法,估计要等到正式发布了。
It’s a new program/offering by Sigma adapting certain lenses from mount to another (e.g. Nikon-F mount to m4/3). Prices will range between 150 to 300 Euro and all work has to be done in the Sigma factory in Japan (which means the whole process will take 6-8 weeks)
所有工序都要在日本国内工厂完成,那是不是意味着天朝用户又杯具了。。。一来一去的运费估计都够买个新的了
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[22 楼] gg889r
[资深泡菜]
13-7-31 00:00
cv62 发表于 2013-7-30 20:25  腾龙做的,人家还活着 哈哈 记错了 现再腾龙好像 都固定卡口 不知道是否还有这类百搭的方法
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[21 楼] 拥挤的珠穆朗玛
[泡菜]
13-7-30 22:31
看下来大体意思好像是
这项服务是针对镜头的,是新系列镜头产品线中的一项服务
后面记者问到是否可以将佳能口的改成宾得K 口的
适马回答可以,只要是同一个类别的,应该是指135单反类别镜头可以互改,比如EF口的改成PENTEX K口的,我理解是EF口的头发过去,帮你改成PENTEX K口的
记者问到,微单的镜头是否可以和135的互改
回答是不行的
但是NEX和4/3是可以互相改的
记者也问到是否保留镜头中的防抖功能
回答是针对(不带防抖的)标准系列镜头,不针对那些防抖的镜头。
记者问到改那些主要
回答机械部分和一些电子器件
最后是多少钱,多少时间
150-300欧,4周 本帖最后由 拥挤的珠穆朗玛 于 2013-7-30 22:33 编辑
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[20 楼] yanhe
[资深泡菜]
13-7-30 22:02
是不是这样的: 镜头分为两个部分,一部分专门管功能,包括对焦、变焦、防抖什么的;另一部分专门负责翻译镜头本身和机身的双向通信,以及卡口。把来自不同机身的命令翻译成镜头能够识别的信号,同时把镜头的反馈信息根据不同的卡口翻译成对应机身惯常用的信号。
技术上应该没有什么难度,就是一个想法,把卡口和镜头干活的部分分离开来。
这样的话,说不定能申请一堆专利,比如什么镜头描述语言之类的,然后授权出去给腾龙图丽这类副厂,能额外再收点钱。
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[19 楼] 良晨玫景
[资深泡菜]
13-7-30 21:45
eazo 发表于 2013-7-30 08:34  图片是镜头屁股,应该是卡口的问题。但如果是改其他的卡口,红心绿角的问题如何解决?这个说不通。
=== Sigma Poland launched a new countdown and thw slogan says “Destroy the system with Sigma, release is coming”. This sounds like something very BIG and the word “system” could refer to a new system camera. Many times Sigma stated they will not launch their own camera system. But of course this could have been part of the marketing strategy to hide their real goal. I would certainly like a System based on their DP lenses and Foveon sensor. I am curious if they will launch their own mount or join the MFT or NEX mount…
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**** Here’s the translated text. Sounds like it only applies to Sigma lenses:
fotoMAGAZIN: Mr. Yamaki, you have the first August presented a completely new service. From 1 September, you can offer your customers the opportunity to ob-tive convert to another bayonet. Will this be possible with all Sigma lenses?
Kazuto Yamaki: We offer the service only for lenses that ...
NND你就不能翻译一下嘛,看得费劲!
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[18 楼] cv62
[泡菜]
13-7-30 20:25
gg889r 发表于 2013-07-30 19:14百搭口的好 貌似上世纪有个年代 有某家厂商 镜头就这样子做的 虽然 好像倒闭了  相机卡口就不清楚了 好像顶多M... 腾龙做的,人家还活着 本帖由安卓客户端发布
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[17 楼] terryty
[资深泡菜]
13-7-30 19:23
wywkof 发表于 2013-7-30 08:02  爬完微单入魔的回帖,基本上适马的发布内容已经很明确了,连山木社长的采访都直接给贴上了
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/sigma-to-launch-something-big-soon-is-it-a-new-mirrorless-system/
不是新镜头,也没有新相机,简单来说好像是改换镜头卡口之类的系统,具体怎么个弄法,估计要等到正式发布了。
It’s a new program/offering by Sigma adapting certain lenses from mount to another (e.g. Nikon-F mount to m4/3). Prices will range between 150 to 300 Euro and all work has to be done in the Sigma factory in Japan (which means the whole process will take 6-8 weeks)
所有工序都要在日本国内工厂完成,那是不是意味着天朝用户又杯具了。。。一来一去的运费估计都够买个新的了 不用费心思了 sigma根本就没打算对应中国客户
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[16 楼] gg889r
[资深泡菜]
13-7-30 19:14
u235hunter 发表于 2013-7-30 15:28  改口服务太蛋疼,肯定是烟雾弹。我觉得适马是要做电子百搭口了,对适马这种副厂镜头厂很有好处,就和当年腾龙为减少库存风险做的一样。不过这次的投入的精力会大很多。。拭目以待! 百搭口的好 貌似上世纪有个年代 有某家厂商 镜头就这样子做的 虽然 好像倒闭了  相机卡口就不清楚了 好像顶多M42年代可以算是吧???
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[15 楼] gg889r
[资深泡菜]
13-7-30 19:11
嗯 期待可以转接各家镜头的超级卡口  不过 如果要寄回日本的话 貌似挺麻烦了的说 本帖最后由 gg889r 于 2013-7-30 19:11 编辑
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[14 楼] 海纳人
[资深泡菜]
13-7-30 17:54
老船帆 发表于 2013-7-30 17:09  不会是给SD1M配套特制带有芯片的转接环,通过对光源进入镜头校正消除色散、相差、红心绿角。 镜头卡口分别是:尼康、佳能、索尼、宾得、富士、莱卡、哈苏、、、通通转接SD1M。 那还不如把SD1M直接做成尼康、佳能、索尼、宾得、富士、莱卡、哈苏、、的卡口,更省心,哈哈。
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[13 楼] 老船帆
[资深泡菜]
13-7-30 17:09
不会是给SD1M配套特制带有芯片的转接环,通过对光源进入镜头校正消除色散、相差、红心绿角。 镜头卡口分别是:尼康、佳能、索尼、宾得、富士、莱卡、哈苏、、、  通通转接SD1M。
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[12 楼] yanhe
[资深泡菜]
13-7-30 16:44
ehandy 发表于 2013-7-30 09:19  是说改换卡口以后还能保留原来的全部功能吗?比如AF和VR/IS之类的? 难道我猜对了?
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[11 楼] chemwu
[泡菜]
13-7-30 16:34
会不会适马推出一款短法兰距的微单,然后再出配套的各种转接口?
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[10 楼] pczhou
[泡菜]
13-7-30 16:13
看了半天没看懂。到底是说机身改卡口,还是镜头改卡口?
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[9 楼] u235hunter
[泡菜]
13-7-30 15:28
改口服务太蛋疼,肯定是烟雾弹。我觉得适马是要做电子百搭口了,对适马这种副厂镜头厂很有好处,就和当年腾龙为减少库存风险做的一样。不过这次的投入的精力会大很多。。拭目以待!
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[8 楼] 凤眼树
[泡菜]
13-7-30 15:18
从适马这几年的每一次举动来看,适马正在逆天路上,,,这一次也不会例外,,,
看好适马,支持适马
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[7 楼] david1972
[泡菜]
13-7-30 14:36
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[6 楼] 好人伟哥
[资深泡菜]
13-7-30 11:04
用机器翻译的二把刀风格是这样的: 西格玛波兰发起了一个新的倒计时和 thw 口号说"与西格玛,释放系统即将的毁灭"。这听起来像是非常大和"系统"一词可以指一个新的系统相机。斯格码多次表示他们不会启动自己的相机系统。但当然这可能是隐藏其真正的目标市场营销战略的一部分。当然希望也基于其 DP 透镜 Foveon 传感器系统。我很好奇,如果他们将推出自己的装载或加入 MFT 或 NEX 装载......===****这里是翻译的文本。听起来像它仅适用于西格玛镜片:fotoMAGAZIN: 山木先生,你有第一次 8 月提出了一个完全地新的服务。从 9 月 1 日,您可以提供您的客户的机会到 ob 比不上转换为另一把刺刀。这将可能与所有的 Sigma 镜头吗?Kazuto 山木: 我们提供的服务只是我们新的产品线,当代的一部分、 性质和运动的镜头。直流: 可以为每个基地 jonett 改型,例如,佳能宾得的镜头吗?山木 Kazuto: 没有任何限制,只要刺刀属于同一类别,所以数码单反相机或 CSC。宾得 K 到佳能 EOS 的转换是可能的。直流: 如何让它看起来与 ob 比不上饱和吸收系统。索尼 Nex 镜头到 Micro 4/3 重建或反之亦然,才可能吗?Kazuto 山木: 是的两个方向都是可能的。直流: 因为后面集中它大概不可能重建镜头的戏剧 gellose 镜面反射系统上的系统。提供重建到镜子少系统单反镜头副返回的机会吗?Kazuto 山木: 没有,那是不可能。我们只能提供的刺刀转换,如果我们提供所需的刺刀为适当的镜头。示例中,如果我们有没有版本的宾得卡口,我们还可以对它进行任何修改。直流: 我们假定转换带来了更多比刺刀的交流。你能向我们的读者解释一下什么需要改变中的镜头,以使它与另一个摄像系统兼容吗?Kazuto 山木: 很难解释这不久。基本上,我们要替换刺刀、 审计委员会和一些其他电子零件和单位。相机系统转换是绝对比刺刀交换。直流: 如何看起来与 OS 镜头与佳能或尼康的刺刀,正在重建,例如,索尼摄像机,有他们自己图像相机中的稳定剂。仍然是镜头稳定剂吗?Kazuto 山木: 不,稳定剂在镜头单元 (OS) 不会保留在这种情况下,镜头是非 OS 类型,如是在一系列标准。sc: 转换似乎相当复杂。对于最终用户是代价是什么?Kazuto 山木: 油底壳 sion 的成本基于镜头的类型和预计 150 至 300 欧元之间。直流: 多久不会转换吗?如果它只在日本进行的吗?Kazuto 山木: 是的至少在服务的开始重建的程序将可能只有在我们的工厂在日本。包括航运时间预计大约四个星期才能完成的服务。
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[5 楼] 1st
[泡菜]
13-7-30 09:31
是不是说,以后可以买个C口的适马头,再寄到日本改成SA口的?我日,适马你不要这么麻烦好不好。
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[4 楼] ehandy
[陈年泡菜]
13-7-30 09:19
是说改换卡口以后还能保留原来的全部功能吗?比如AF和VR/IS之类的?
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[3 楼] gabrie
[资深泡菜]
13-7-30 08:42
这生意的点在哪里?没多少人经常换卡口的吧。价钱还开不高,因为太贵直接二手出掉买另外卡口的不就是了。 本帖由安卓客户端发布
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[2 楼] eazo
[泡菜]
13-7-30 08:34
图片是镜头屁股,应该是卡口的问题。但如果是改其他的卡口,红心绿角的问题如何解决?这个说不通。
=== Sigma Poland launched a new countdown and thw slogan says “Destroy the system with Sigma, release is coming”. This sounds like something very BIG and the word “system” could refer to a new system camera. Many times Sigma stated they will not launch their own camera system. But of course this could have been part of the marketing strategy to hide their real goal. I would certainly like a System based on their DP lenses and Foveon sensor. I am curious if they will launch their own mount or join the MFT or NEX mount…
===
**** Here’s the translated text. Sounds like it only applies to Sigma lenses:
fotoMAGAZIN: Mr. Yamaki, you have the first August presented a completely new service. From 1 September, you can offer your customers the opportunity to ob-tive convert to another bayonet. Will this be possible with all Sigma lenses?
Kazuto Yamaki: We offer the service only for lenses that are part of our new product lines, contemporary, nature and sports. dc: Can a lens for each base jonett remodel, for example, Canon to Pentax?
Kazuto Yamaki: There are no restrictions as long as the bayonet belongs to the same category, so DSLR or CSC. A conversion from Canon EOS to Pentax-K is possible.
dc: how it looks with the ob-tive for mirrorless systems. Will it be possible for a Sony Nex Lens to Micro Four Thirds re-build or vice versa?
Kazuto Yamaki: Yes, both directions are possible.
dc: Because the back focus it probably will not be possible to rebuild a lens for play-gellose systems on a mirror-reflex system. Offer the vice-returned opportunity to rebuild an SLR lens to a mirror-less system?
Kazuto Yamaki: No, that’s not possible. We can only offer the bayonet conversion, if we have an appropriate lens for the desired bayonet on offer. Example, if we have no version for the Pentax bayonet, we can also make any modification to it.
dc: We assume that the conversion brings with it more than the exchange of the bayonet. Could you explain to our readers what needs to be changed in the lens, to make it compatible with another camera system?
Kazuto Yamaki: It is difficult to explain this shortly. Basically, we have to replace the bayonet, the board and some other electronic parts and units. A camera system conversion is definitely more than a bayonet exchange.
dc: How it looks with an OS lens with Canon or Nikon bayonet, which is being rebuilt, for example, Sony cameras, which have their own image stabilizer in the camera. Remains the lens stabilizer?
Kazuto Yamaki: No, the stabilizer in the lens unit (OS) is not maintained in such a case, the lens is a non-OS type, as is standard in the series.
sc: The conversion seems to be quite complex. What is the cost for the end user be?
Kazuto Yamaki: The cost for the conver-sion are based on the lens type and are expected to be between 150 and 300 euros.
dc: How long does the conversion? If it is carried out only in Japan?
Kazuto Yamaki: Yes, at least at the beginning of the service program of reconstruction will be possible only in our factory in Japan. Including the shipping time is expected to take approximately four weeks to complete the service.
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