New Saab 9-5

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[1 楼] katsura [泡菜] 09-7-25 03:51 http://www.automotorsport.se/news/18907/saab-9-5--20-nya-bilder
[99 楼] bemystar [泡菜] 10-5-10 14:36 原文由移轴大镜头在2009-07-25 11:21发表国内销售的奔驰S级没有你那照片上那么多按钮，空调出风口下只有一排而已，剩下的功能通过转轮鼠标控制，宝马也是一样的设计。更重要的是，奔驰S、捷豹XJ8、奥迪A8、宝马7都是豪华车（你吃屎的9-5只卖50万），能否用照片说明，集中在中控台上的按钮中，哪一个有你吃屎的萨博上的TP、PTY、XXX、ADFAIRD、ADSFSDFASF、ASDF ...... 连奔驰E都不认识还好意思说奔驰车上的按钮少...
[98 楼] haooow [禁言中] 10-5-10 14:33 只对那个HUD感兴趣，可惜市售没有这款的
[97 楼] wudada [资深泡菜] 10-5-10 13:38 原文由南方的云在2010-05-07 13:49发表不知道 showy 怎么样？ flameboyant?
[96 楼] 土老鼠 [禁言中] 10-5-7 19:02 搞得我的小心肝，噗通噗通直跳............
[95 楼] Loxodont [泡菜] 10-5-7 14:16 头晕鸟语太多
[94 楼] 南方的云 [泡菜] 10-5-7 13:49 原文由 Zippo 在2009-07-28 00:27发表请问：“拉风”的英文怎么说？不知道 showy 怎么样？
[93 楼] 纳米碳管 [泡菜] 10-5-7 09:59 Well written, @katsura. A jolly good read.
[92 楼] danaus [陈年泡菜] 09-8-13 09:46 照片很漂亮但是仍然不能掩盖Saab日渐没落的事实另外，非要在中文论坛里说英语，我认为是install B的表现之一
[91 楼] KNDETIE [泡菜] 09-8-13 09:10 做墙纸很有感觉，多谢LZ好图
[90 楼] katsura [泡菜] 09-8-12 03:52 原文由 iloved70 发表 Talking about designing style, yes, most of Viking design is more moderate and conservative except Nokia (I believe Ericson lost her market partly due to the never-change design). It seems that they are reluctant to change. one interesting story is about how Volvo adapted its design to a ROUND e ...... haha, your analogy made me think of this: Sometimes, not changing is the best adaption for a changing environment Wasn't that a Chinese saying: Use the unchange to control the change? or something.... Fashion will always go out of fashion.While well designed, sensible solutions may evolve, but they will never go out of fashion. I'm kind of anti-fashion, that's why I drive Saab cars, uses exclusively Ericsson phones, and listens to ABBA
[89 楼] iloved70 [泡菜] 09-8-11 12:58 原文由 katsura 发表 Mmm, I think the concept of taste and character is different - American designs are brash and loud and crude, they maybe tasteless but they still have character. For Scandinavian designs, the character is often well hidden, minimalism, style follow function is the key. Their character won't g ...... Talking about designing style, yes, most of Viking design is more moderate and conservative except Nokia (I believe Ericson lost her market partly due to the never-change design). It seems that they are reluctant to change. one interesting story is about how Volvo adapted its design to a ROUND earth. American design? They are more creative but showy and you can even SMELL it.Bad? no, you either live it or leave it. However the world is changing in every single second, and Vikings must change to survive in such speed much more faster than the change of arctic weather.
[88 楼] katsura [泡菜] 09-8-11 03:53 原文由 iloved70 发表 unfortunately, I do believe most of "Made in England" brands have taste, Britons are certainly more thoughtful than Yankees. But something from Scandinavia, no...I dont think so. Frankly speaking, ROBUST is the right term to describe Scandinavian brands. Mmm, I think the concept of taste and character is different - American designs are brash and loud and crude, they maybe tasteless but they still have character. For Scandinavian designs, the character is often well hidden, minimalism, style follow function is the key. Their character won't grab you and shout at you, like US designs, rather you get to appreciate the restrained character after you use it for a while. It's interesting how Engineering trends follows national steroetypes to a degree.
[87 楼] zeratulhei [资深泡菜] 09-8-10 22:06 我喜欢绿色仪表盘。看着不累
[86 楼] 铁托 [泡菜] 09-8-10 15:26 原文由移轴大镜头发表引用: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 原文由移轴大镜头发表这种买弄十分傻B，如果骂街的话……。 Whoriia nono，毛利语 MayI suck your clit? Puka-kati,毛利语 Suck my butthole. Faka-kiri-kiriharka,毛利语，Fuck you as a cow. 当年房东教的，就记得这么几个，讲出来，有水平么？ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK了！逗出来了！英国留学的，基本都是贪污※※官员的80后子女，你不会是例外！！！您老认为您待过的澳洲比英国贪污※※官员的子女少一些，是吧？
[85 楼] KNDETIE [泡菜] 09-8-10 08:39 LZ上的图很漂亮,特别是内饰,独辟蹊径,不俗. 大镜头兄的点评也很精彩,不过LZ贴的SAAB我觉得是最漂亮的SAAB了,还是有进步的.
[84 楼] iloved70 [泡菜] 09-8-9 23:03 原文由 katsura 发表 What you said is true - that is why 90% of the cars bought are boring, "get you from A to B" vehicles, and why boring reliable Japanese cars are so popular. However you may have underestimated the importance of the soul of a car. Certain cars, Saabs, old Citroens, some Mazdas and Al ...... unfortunately, I do believe most of "Made in England" brands have taste, Britons are certainly more thoughtful than Yankees. But something from Scandinavia, no...I dont think so. Frankly speaking, ROBUST is the right term to describe Scandinavian brands.
[83 楼] dayimage [资深泡菜] 09-8-9 21:10 原文由 falsch 发表看港片SAAB出现的也不少，富家子、高级警官都喜欢开个SAAB，也许比较有个性，呵呵。看看JD Power最新的美国新上市车型统计，丰田垫底了，连神车卡罗拉得分也不高。 . 港片的SAAB都是赞助拍摄的。和现实销售状况两回事。
[82 楼] neon [陈年泡菜] 09-8-9 17:25 马6出新款了？
[81 楼] 什锦菜 [泡菜] 09-8-9 17:02 这车太漂亮
[80 楼] katsura [泡菜] 09-7-28 07:12 原文由移轴大镜头发表 misreading不是大问题，“miswriting”才要命！我的毕业论文曾经将“霍尔传感器（Hall sensor）”写成“Whore sensor”，唉。 -____-! Hahahah that was wicked - unfortunate, but funny as hell. So... what kind of special feature does the shore sensor have?
[79 楼] 移轴大镜头 [泡菜] 09-7-28 05:18 原文由 katsura 发表 Agreed - it is interesting to note though, products having soul doesn't always translate to business success - Apple and Sony might be the exception in this case but look at the other examples you gave. Most are now either bankrupt or struggling in the market place. I think this has t ...... misreading不是大问题，“miswriting”才要命！我的毕业论文曾经将“霍尔传感器（Hall sensor）”写成“Whore sensor”，唉。 -____-!
[78 楼] 特饱兔子 [资深泡菜] 09-7-28 05:15 看来还是男士借纸容易些,甭管参考消息,怎么也能用啊,看那Elaine根本就借不到.
[77 楼] 移轴大镜头 [泡菜] 09-7-28 05:01 Original:嗟呼！汝非吾天朝之子民。 Modern Peking Chinese:哎呦我的妈哟！打刚才就挨那儿嚷嚷，吓得我跟什么似的，感情闹了半天，你丫就是一老外啊！ Modern Tianjin Chinese：好……嘛！介四儿闹的，要不说人多裹瞎乱，喏喏喏敲破锣，折腾半天，妈整个一打岔，您了是一国际友人啊。 Modern Standard Chinese：咳……，原来汉语不是您的母语啊。 Modern Suburban Chinese which could be used around somewhere like toilet:嗯……嗯，旁边那坑的，您带纸了吗？……10 seconds later……报纸啊，咳，擦一屁股油墨。噢，这还是《参考消息》啊，现在这报纸上整个一瞎话满天飞！您知道吗？昨天我听一事儿挺可乐，色影无忌您知道吗？对对对，那里不是有一帮子神头蛤蟆脸的神经病（The people who alway talking weired things also with hypersensitive mind）吗？嘿嘿！前几天他们吵起来了，那家伙，锣鼓满天飞，吵得不亦乐乎，简直是人脑袋打成狗脑袋了，最后一问啊，咳，闹了半天，最早捅娄子的人，是一外国人，光会骂大街，咱哥们说的什么，整个一没听明白。哈哈哈哈哈哈哈……哎哟我这痔疮…… Enjoy it. [移轴大镜头编辑于 2009-07-28 05:03]
[76 楼] katsura [泡菜] 09-7-28 04:48 原文由移轴大镜头发表你说的没错，苹果是有soul的，Sun系统是有soul的，索尼是有soul的，奥斯丁是有soul的，潘太克斯是有soul的，康泰克斯是有soul的，徕卡是有soul的，AGFA是有soul的，捷豹是有soul的，英国曾经拥有的大部分品牌都是有soul的。 Intel是boring的，微软是是boring的，宏基是是boring的，ASUS是boring的，JBL监听音箱是是b ...... Agreed - it is interesting to note though, products having soul doesn't always translate to business success - Apple and Sony might be the exception in this case but look at the other examples you gave. Most are now either bankrupt or struggling in the market place. I think this has to do with the majority of the human population are comformists - they like to follow trend and dislike standing out. People with a passion for uniqueness is but a small percetage of the genral population, that's why these brands and products with a lot of personality will only ever appeal to a small percetage of the market. It maybe a business nightmare but with decent products, they may carve a small following that will allow them to survive. The day when every car on road is a boring shopping cart, and the day every camera becomes a Canon or Nikon will be a sad day indeed. Long live individuality and soul.
[75 楼] katsura [泡菜] 09-7-28 04:42 原文由移轴大镜头发表 “而是通过火花塞作为反馈元件，监测气缸内部的许多情况。” 你确实是出国时间太长了，看不懂汉语了。 Yep - I misread that, cheers for the correction. Chinese is not my first language. I like visiting Xitek to brush up my Chinese reading skills.
[74 楼] 移轴大镜头 [泡菜] 09-7-28 04:26 原文由 katsura 发表 What you said is true - that is why 90% of the cars bought are boring, "get you from A to B" vehicles, and why boring reliable Japanese cars are so popular. However you may have underestimated the importance of the soul of a car. Certain cars, Saabs, old Citroens, some Mazdas and Al ...... 你说的没错，苹果是有soul的，Sun系统是有soul的，索尼是有soul的，奥斯丁是有soul的，潘太克斯是有soul的，康泰克斯是有soul的，徕卡是有soul的，AGFA是有soul的，捷豹是有soul的，英国曾经拥有的大部分品牌都是有soul的。 Intel是boring的，微软是是boring的，宏基是是boring的，ASUS是boring的，JBL监听音箱是是boring的，佳能是boring的，尼康是boring的，卡拉什尼科夫※※是boring的，丰田是boring的，本田是boring的，远东地区的“便宜货”大部分都是是boring的。嗯……。
[73 楼] 移轴大镜头 [泡菜] 09-7-28 04:15 原文由 katsura 发表 LOL! Saab invented Knocking Sensing technology - it took BMW some 10 years to catch on... It first appeared on the B2xx series engine in 1980's http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Saab_H_engine_-_B201/id/4853603 The Saab system doens't even need a dedicated sensor, it reads feed ...... “而是通过火花塞作为反馈元件，监测气缸内部的许多情况。” 你确实是出国时间太长了，看不懂汉语了。从逻辑上讲，使用涡轮增压器这种辅助进气装置，会使进气配气管（intake manifold）出现正压的状况，对于旧有的化油器发动机来说，化油器的效率仅同空气流量正比，那么低转速区的恶劣雾化情况，和高转速区过浓的混合气，将会毫无疑问的导致爆震。那么这个问题是伴随着涡轮增压器问世而出现的，我们知道，第二次世界大战中，有大量的战斗机配置了涡轮增压活塞发动机，那么那个时候没有对可控燃烧细致监控的实验手段，是如何解决发动机损坏的问题呢？很简单，螺旋桨飞机发动机的转速范围适用很窄，将压缩比降低到勉强能够启动热车的地步，然后最佳工况就控制在适用转速就可以了。你看不懂可以继续问我，你如果对我有所怀疑，可以在Google里找一下，看看是不是抄的。
[72 楼] katsura [泡菜] 09-7-28 02:57 saab和volvo的粉丝现在不怎么吃得开地说，品牌价值早就丧失掉了，所以如果卖个opel的价格估计还有市场，但是还想搞品牌溢价的话，嘿嘿，那真的就是死路一条，最明白的例子就是死得很难看的s40...... What you said is true - that is why 90% of the cars bought are boring, "get you from A to B" vehicles, and why boring reliable Japanese cars are so popular. However you may have underestimated the importance of the soul of a car. Certain cars, Saabs, old Citroens, some Mazdas and Alfas always have the unique quality of having souls. This personality can not be explained by reliability, quality or performance. Some cars have them, most don't. Another reason some of us go for these brands is due to passion for individuality, Saab fans are a unique bunch, we dislike the common-ness of BWMs. We just want to be different and anti-estabilishment. Granted, under GM, Saab lost a lot of it's character and individuality, but look deeper, and you will see they are still there, under the cover and the little that's left is the true spirit of Saab, they are endearing to us fans. And hopefully with the take over by K-segg, some of that lost personality will come back. let me put it this way, seeing this is a photography forum - for every Pentax camera, there is a Canon or Nikon that out performs it (they may be from a more expensive group, but bear with me). Yet there is a bunch of loyal Pentax fans that won't give up their gear for anything else. Can this be explained away by performance, or quality? Nope, Pentax is unique, the way their designers approach an issue often result in left of the field solutions. On that point that is very similar to Saab engineers. "Think differently". Pentax fans like Pentax because it is not a Nikon, Saab fans love their cars because it's not an Audi. A recent study from Germany shows that Saab owners are the most 'passionate invovled' with their cars, and from my own experience, I coudn't agree more. http://www.saabsunited.com/2009/06/germany-saab-fans-are-the-most-passionate-fans.html [katsura 编辑于 2009-07-28 03:00]
[71 楼] katsura [泡菜] 09-7-28 02:36 原文由移轴大镜头发表萨博车没有爆震传感器——这个眼下每辆车都插在缸体上的小玩意，而是通过火花塞作为反馈元件，监测气缸内部的许多情况。爱卡上有人写过，我就不多说了 LOL! Saab invented Knocking Sensing technology - it took BMW some 10 years to catch on... It first appeared on the B2xx series engine in 1980's http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Saab_H_engine_-_B201/id/4853603 The Saab system doens't even need a dedicated sensor, it reads feedback from the spark plug.