DPreview到底是个什么网站?
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[13 楼] [泡菜]
10-6-9 02:28
原文由 鸡蛋 在2010-06-09 02:25发表
由此看见索尼的公关费用是何等的紧张,不就少喝了几瓶红酒么?用得着这么清醒么?

这话有点诛心了.

其实俺觉得买到这个档次镜头的人基本可以忽略别家镜头了,原因很简单

如果多修的话,都买就是了,何必纠结?

如果单修一家的话,别家的再好,关我P事.

何处惹尘埃?
[12 楼] 妖妖夢 [资深泡菜]
10-6-9 02:26
720G的成本比起防抖外加防水防尘理应低的多 DP说的没错
[11 楼] 鸡蛋 [资深泡菜]
10-6-9 02:25
由此看见索尼的公关费用是何等的紧张,不就少喝了几瓶红酒么?用得着这么清醒么?
[10 楼] [泡菜]
10-6-9 02:23
原文由 林落尘泥 在2010-06-09 02:18发表
“说720G比副厂死马/腾龙贵,而且没有尼康的DZP II(虽然更贵)的性能好。”

跟比它差的比价格,跟比它贵的比性能。这难道不是赤果果的黑么?

那我也可以倒过来说啊:720G比起腾龙死马的同档次镜头(虽然便宜点)表现好,而且比尼康的DZP II便宜。。。。

dpreview的逻辑是你作为一个顶级镜头没有防滴防尘就掉分了,在还没有防抖组件的情况下,价格又向DZP和XBIS2看齐,自然更掉分了.

很奇怪你纠结这个干啥?

要是看评测都纠结这种东西,真不如不看,去看蜂鸟里面吹得漫天花的俱乐部还好,仿佛自己拿的就是世间最好的镜头.

就跟那个所谓的哈苏实验室十九支世界顶级镜头的讹传一样
[9 楼] 林落尘泥 [泡菜]
10-6-9 02:18
原文由 龘 在2010-06-09 02:05发表
再看最后的综合评价

it's at least a match for the more recent third party options from Tamron and Sigma, and only just outperformed by Nikon's very latest (and pricey) 70-200mm F2.8 VR II.


“说720G比副厂死马/腾龙贵,而且没有尼康的DZP II(虽然更贵)的性能好。”

跟比它差的比价格,跟比它贵的比性能。这难道不是赤果果的黑么?

那我也可以倒过来说啊:720G比起腾龙死马的同档次镜头(虽然便宜点)表现好,而且比尼康的DZP II便宜。。。。
[8 楼] [泡菜]
10-6-9 02:15
原文由 林落尘泥 在2010-06-09 02:11发表

两篇测评我都是通读了的,你说的我都看到了。比如720G的最后一条缺点:比起副厂镜头来说太贵了,这不是P话么?难道这句话对泥康佳能不适用么?
至于其他两点缺点,我也不反驳,但这种东西都是各有千秋的。
小白is也说得焦外不好,抗眩不好,不是么?
我不是要在此说明sony Canon谁好,只是给大家看看差不多的东西,测评 ......

这有啥好发指的?

第一,phil本来就是个canon fans
第二,佳能和尼康都有防抖组件和防滴防尘设计,但是720G没有,所以拿去跟腾龙适马比较野并非不可.
第三,测试这种东西,也就是个参考,各人有各人的评价标准,西平的评测不是一大堆人骂?作参考而已.
第四,既然通读了,没有必要纠结于最后那一小段的结论,精华在于全部内容.
[7 楼] 林落尘泥 [泡菜]
10-6-9 02:11
原文由 龘 在2010-06-09 01:58发表
看看720G有啥缺点吧

看看720G有啥缺点吧

Conclusion - Cons
A bit soft wide open at the telephoto end on APS-C
No dust or moisture sealing (which we'd expect in a 'Pro' level lens)
Slightly suspect image quality at closest focus (very soft indeed at F2.8)
Extremely expensive compared to third party alternatives

1,3是画质方面的,2是结构方面的,最后一个是价格方面的,尤其是没有内建防抖组件和没有防水防尘密封,成本应该更便宜

两篇测评我都是通读了的,你说的我都看到了。比如720G的最后一条缺点:比起副厂镜头来说太贵了,这不是P话么?难道这句话对泥康佳能不适用么?
至于其他两点缺点,我也不反驳,但这种东西都是各有千秋的。
小白is也说得焦外不好,抗眩不好,不是么?
我不是要在此说明sony Canon谁好,只是给大家看看差不多的东西,测评给的评语倾向性能做到多么令人发指的地步。
[6 楼] [泡菜]
10-6-9 02:05
再看最后的综合评价

The Sony 70-200mm F2.8 G is without doubt an excellent lens. Don't be fooled by the fact that it's based on a 7-year old Minolta design - it's at least a match for the more recent third party options from Tamron and Sigma, and only just outperformed by Nikon's very latest (and pricey) 70-200mm F2.8 VR II.

Optically it's therefore very good indeed, being impressively sharp at most settings, and with chromatic aberration, distortion and vignetting all rather low. The bokeh (or rendition of out-of-focus areas of the image) is also very smooth and attractive most of the time. About the only possible criticisms are that it can look a little soft at 200mm and F2.8 when used on APS-C cameras, or at distances close to minimum focus.

Operationally the lens is impressive too. The build quality is right out of the top drawer, and the autofocus is fast, near-silent, and accurate. The tripod ring design isn't our favorite though, as you can't remove it without detaching the lens from the camera; this can make rapid switching between hand-held and tripod-mounted shooting a bit more awkward than with some other systems. But on the other hand the lens hood is excellent, being suitably deep to provide optimum protection from flare, and sporting a small window with a sliding cover to allow the easy operation of polarizing filters.

One notable absence from the spec sheet, however, is dust- and water-sealing; for example the lens lacks a gasket around the lens mount to seal this point of vulnerability. This is disappointing for such an expensive, and otherwise superbly-made lens, and stands in contrast to the fast telephoto zooms from other camera manufacturers (such as the Canon 70-200mm F2.8 IS, Nikon 70-200mm F2.8 VR II, the Olympus 35-100mm F2, and the Pentax 50-135mm F2.8).

This brings us on, rather neatly, to the slightly vexed issue of value - because the biggest problem with the Sony 70-200mm F2.8 G is that it costs well over twice the price of its Sigma or Tamron equivalents. Of course this buys you that bulletproof metal build, and optics which are certainly better - but not necessarily by all that much. And whereas in Nikon or Canon land you get both environmental sealing and image stabilization for your money, with Sony the situation is rather different, as all lenses effectively gain stabilization though the in-body Super SteadyShot system. This means that the functional differences between the Sony and its cheaper competitors are very small indeed; however the Sigma's not as sharp, according to our tests, and the Tamron doesn't have ultrasonic focusing.跟我前面说的一样,成本比XZP那些低

So, overall, the 70-200mm F2.8 G is the ideal lens for Alpha users who want the very best optics and focusing in a fast telezoom regardless of price. In particular it's a superb companion to both Sony's high resolution full-frame DSLRs, and enthusiast APS-C bodies such as the Alpha 700. The Sigma and Tamron equivalents run it very close indeed at a fraction of the price, and are well worthy of serious consideration for those on a tighter budget; but overall the Sony wins out over these for its all-round excellence.


[龘 编辑于 2010-06-09 02:06]
[5 楼] [泡菜]
10-6-9 01:58
看看720G有啥缺点吧

Conclusion - Cons
A bit soft wide open at the telephoto end on APS-C
No dust or moisture sealing (which we'd expect in a 'Pro' level lens)
Slightly suspect image quality at closest focus (very soft indeed at F2.8)
Extremely expensive compared to third party alternatives

1,3是画质方面的,2是结构方面的,最后一个是价格方面的,尤其是没有内建防抖组件和没有防水防尘密封,成本应该更便宜
[4 楼] 林落尘泥 [泡菜]
10-6-9 01:52
原文由 龘 在2010-06-09 01:48发表
楼主用翻译软件翻译的?

但是它比起死马和腾龙的基本上一样水平的镜头要贵太多了。

自己随手捏的
[3 楼] [泡菜]
10-6-9 01:48
楼主用翻译软件翻译的?

但是它比起死马和腾龙的基本上一样水平的镜头要贵太多了。
[2 楼] 黑发贵公子 [泡菜]
10-6-9 01:47
习惯了就好~
[1 楼] 林落尘泥 [泡菜]
10-6-9 01:43
近来此网站貌似很红火,对于NEX和其镜头的测评满版乱飞。
本人由于对各种测评不胜感冒,也没怎么关注。今天又看到E16和DA15开帖PK,忍不住去看了一下。
草草看了几个测评,我觉得这个网站做的测评似乎倾向性也太厉害了吧?这种连中正持平都做不到的网站,大家何必那么在意呢?

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举一个例子,该网站给小白IS和720G的测评,各单项测试都不相上下,最后得分86vs84,也大差不差。但是看看最后给的评价,实在不知道该说什么。

   Canon 70-200mm F2.8 L IS II USM    overall rating 总评: 86%
Canon's update to its professional fast telezoom may look much the same on the outside, but internally it's been updated to give image quality that's quite simply the best in its class. Effective autofocus and image stabilization systems, plus full weather sealing, round off a compelling package.
佳能给这支专业大光圈长变焦镜头的升级在外观上看没什么区别,但是内部的升级让它的画质基本上处于同类镜头中的最佳水平。高效的自动对焦和防抖系统加上全天候密封一起构成了一个让人无法拒绝的组合。

   Sony 70-200mm F2.8 G       overall rating 总评: 84%
Sony's 70-200mm F2.8 G may be based on a 2003 Minolta design, but it's still the best fast telezoom available for Alpha mount users. However it's very pricey in comparison to the Sigma and Tamron alternatives, which are almost as good.
索尼的720G也许是基于03年美能达的设计,但是它依然是阿花系统用户所能买到的最好的大光圈长变焦镜头。但是它比起死马和腾龙的基本上一样水平的镜头要贵太多了。

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是不是觉得DPreview这种话说得很欠打?
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[林落尘泥 编辑于 2010-06-09 01:46]

[2010-06-09 12:12 补充如下]

因为有个叫“10只白天鹅”的泡菜感到自己“被误导”了,特此为了这位视力不太好的泡菜说明一下,上面的佳能的镜头是Canon 70-200mm F2.8 L IS II USM。是升过级超牛B的Canon 70-200mm F2.8 L IS II USM。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。