还真是这么回事，傻劲引为“权威”的网站怎么就扇了傻劲的耳光呐

呵呵，开始指鹿为马、颠倒黑白了？区区G3可以撼动x100的高感了？

Shajin "权威网站" 发布：

G3 高ISO 超过 X100

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/panasonicdmcg3/page6.asp

1600万像素

shajin 原来不会翻译。这是证据。

原来你的论文都是从网上抄的！

你再一次滑稽了，就像127楼一样，你引用的是什么？亚马孙众多用户评论之一，x100的用户评论千千万，都是有权威性的？你看我引用的，TIPA，Dpreview。。。再说，亚马孙盛赞x100的评论你怎么不引用？

给你说过，先读了大学再读研究生，写过论文逻辑性思维自然就提高了，不是什么都可以作为证据引用的！

[shajin 编辑于 2011-06-30 13:18]

该去当律师，搞IT可惜了。

我觉得傻劲脑子还是不错的哈，不然早就被唾沫所淹没无言以答了~~不过确实富士可真抠门啊，这么辛勤的员工，都不能借台x100用用，亮骚一下，用完就收回呗。

Ultimately, the Fuji Finepix X100 is a very limited use camera. It can't replace an LX3, GH1, D7000, or D3s. In perfect conditions it is capable of taking better images than any of those cameras, but in real world use it is unlikely to do so. You broke my heart, Fuji.

Shajin 自称外语好，请他翻译下。

我的相机带是佳能G10随机原装腕带,不知佳能相机行有无零售,但无忌商场的黑白总动员有腕带卖.http://shop33611449.※※※※※※.com/

这都没见过?这个叫史诗风格的表述方式.用一大堆意思相近差不多的褒义词堆砌成一座金山来赞美主.

一摄狼大哥，您的相机腕带在哪里买的？http://www7.xitek.com/forum/201106/1356/135688/135688_1307957669.jpg

看一看亚马逊上老用户的评价吧。本来对x100 有些想头，现在看来还是等等看吧。
毕竟不便宜啊。

114 of 141 people found the following review helpful:
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2.0 out of 5 stars You Broke My Heart, Fuji!, May 10, 2011
By
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This review is from: Fujifilm X100 12.3 MP APS-C CMOS EXR Digital Camera with 23mm Fujinon Lens and 2.8-Inch LCD (Electronics)

Beautiful compact body. Large APS-C sized sensor with outstanding low-light performance and class-leading DxOMark score. Fast f2.0 lens from top-tier lens manufacturer. Innovative optical/electronic view finder. Favorable initial reviews from trusted sources like Luminous Landscape. Could this be the perfect carry-everywhere camera? I could not resist any longer and was fortunate enough to get one from the first batch of Amazon orders. WOOO HOOO!!!!!

The camera arrived last week and since it arrived I have been taking pictures with it every day in all the situations where I wouldn't normally bring my GH1 or D3S. Inside and outside. Bright light and low light. People and things. Pictures of friends and family at home, out-and-about, on nature walks, in restaurants, at school. Pictures of food served in restaurants. Pictures of my children's classmates in the classroom and on the playground. Pictures of flowers and bugs and plants. And each picture I took dragged me kicking and screaming and ultimately crying to the unavoidable conclusion that this camera is fatally and tragically flawed.

Like the hero of a Greek tragedy, the Fujifilm X100 has the most promising of attributes, each with a fatal flaw, and the outcome is photographic tragedy. This camera has delivered more out-of-focus shots than I have ever experienced in my three decades of photography. Of more than five hundred pictures that I've taken with the X100 in the past week, less than 50 are in focus and only a handful are keepers. With firmware 1.01, the X100 can only reliably take good pictures of stationary well-lit subjects, like static scenes or posed people.

Let's start with the innovative optical viewfinder (OVF). It has a white rectangle in the middle that turns green when the camera acquires focus. But the OVF doesn't tell you what part of the scene is in focus and it most definitely is not that white rectangle in the middle. My only consistent success with the OVF is with static scenes entirely contained in the chosen depth of field, like pictures of a wall. If you want to know what part of the scene is in focus, you must use the electronic viewfinder (EVF). But the EVF has a perceptable lag so you can't use it to time your shutter. And even worse, when you initiate auto-focus, the EVF is momentarily frozen and by the time it unfreezes and you can see your subjects to be in focus and properly framed, your subjects may have moved on, so when you release the shutter you end up with another out-of-focus shot. My only consistent success with the EVF is with static or posed subjects, like the ones that appeared in the Luminous Landscape and Steve Huff reviews. Don't believe me? Check the X100 image samples on dpreview -- there are only two pictures with non-static subjects (DSCF0345, two girls on a rocking horse, DSCF0422 couple hugging), and they're both out-of-focus. I didn't count DSCF0426 (woman in front of mosaic) even though the woman was out-of-focus because the mosaic was the subject.

Second consider the fast f2.0 Fuji lens that I have coveted since the X100 was announced at Photokina 2010. It lacks optical image stabilization (OIS). So if you're shooting handheld, you have to keep the shutter above 1/60 or better still 1/125 to avoid handheld motion blur. Its soft at f2.0. So if you want a sharp image, you're going to have to stop down to f2.8 or better yet f4.0. And now you're looking a camera that's not so great at low light anymore unless you stick it on a tripod and what's the point of a compact camera that must be mounted on a tripod?

Third the auto-focus. It only works well in bright light. As the light decreases, it quickly gets to the point where it can't auto-focus at all even with the very intrusive AF assist light. "No problem," I thought, "I'll switch to manual focus and use this beautiful focus ring on the front of the camera". But that focus ring is only tenuously connected to the camera's focus point, and the connection is 100% electronic. You can turn the focus ring 10 times in the same direction and still the focus will only have changed a tiny bit. Even something so basic as using the ring to move the focus to the closest focus point (4") or the farthest focus point (infinity) is 100% unpredictable and 100% annoying. So if you want to acquire accurate focus, you have to use the auto-focus with the EVF, a wide f-stop, and the scene better be well-lit or the auto-focus will hunt hunt hunt and never acquire focus.

Fourth the camera's controls. The X100 has dedicated controls for aperture, shutter speed, and exposure compensation. As expected, you change those settings whenever you want and they take effect immediately (provided you don't switch between automatic and manual modes). The X100 also has a dedicated ring for manual focus and dedicated buttons for metering, auto-focus point position, changing OVF/EVF/LCD, macro mode, flash, white balance, shooting mode (aka "drive"), menu, and a custom function button that can be set to the ND filter or ISO (among others). Unfortunately you cannot use any of those controls or change any of those settings while the camera is recording an image. With a premium 30MB/s Sandisk Extreme SDHC card, the X100 takes between 7 and 10 seconds to record a single RAW+JPG image and 30 seconds to record a burst. During that time, you can't switch between the OVF/EVF/LCD, change the metering mode, move the auto-focus point, manually set the focus, turn the ND filter on or off, change the ISO, or turn the flash on or off. Nor can you switch between auto-aperture and manual aperture, or between auto-shutter and manual shutter while the camera is saving an image. That's right, after every picture the X100 controls are frozen for 7-30 seconds, including the manual focus ring. It's so difficult to believe, so out of the range of thinkable thought, that few reviewers have noticed it. It's annoying if you're shooting a static scene, but the scene isn't changing so you can just wait until the red light stops blinking and then change your settings. But if you're recording a dynamic scene, it's intolerable.

That's the synopsis of Greek tragedy that is the Fuji Finepix X100. All the desirable attributes of a camera in a camera that can only consistently take good pictures of well-lit static or scripted scenes. Over the past week, I grew to appreciate my Nikon D3s even more by way of contrast with the X100. I realized that my D3s is big and heavy but it is the ultimate clutch camera. No matter what the photographic situation, I am sure to walk away with some outstanding shots from the D3s. The Fuji X100 is the exact opposite - in most photographic situations, I am likely to walk away with no good shots at all. The Fuji X100 is the ultimate choke camera.

There are some other problems with the camera that I would gladly overlook if the camera could take more in focus pictures. But I'll include them anyway in case you wouldn't be able to overlook them.

The camera is uncomfortable to shoot one-handed. It's significantly heavier than an LX3 or GH1 w/ 20mm f1.7. It doesn't have a grip and the front is covered with slippery plastic material so that when shooting one-handed you have to support it from the bottom with your pinkie, which quickly becomes uncomfortable. Even my monster D3s with the 24-70mm f2.8 zoom is more comfortable to shoot one-handed than the X100.

There's one customizable "function" button but no dedicated button for ISO, the ND filter, for burst mode, or to take a movie. I set it to the ND filter, which means I have to trust to the (mostly good) auto ISO setting.

The 720p24 movies that the X100 takes are good, although they are often out-of-focus and the camera is very slow to reacquire focus. If I had to take a movie, I'd pick my GH1 and TM700 far ahead of my LX3, D3s, or X100. Next on the list (and far down) I would probably pick the D3s with manual focusing even though I dislike manual focusing - at least I could choose an appropriate lens for the situation and there's always hope that the movie would be in focus and if not I could only blame myself. The LX3 movies are always in focus but the colors are faded and grainy even in bright light so I would more likely take a chance on the X100 than enduring the LX3 movies.

The X100 can capture more detail in a static well-lit scene than the Nikon D3s does with a similar number of pixels. The colors in the RAW files are chalky and the greens in the RAW files are very brown. Not sure how this affects the JPEG conversion since my favorite RAW program (DxO) doesn't yet support the Fuji X100.

The menus aren't any better or worse than the menus from Panasonic, Canon, or Nikon. The lack of "menu resume" is annoying.

The on-camera flash is excellent. Somehow Fuji has programmed the on-camera flash to emit just the right amount of flash to improve the picture. It's the only camera I have with a built-in flash where direct flash pictures can often look better than non-flash pictures.

To save batteries, I turn off image review, turn on "OVF power save mode", and reduce the LCD intensity, so I haven't yet had a problem with battery life. I appreciate that Fuji decided to use one of their standard batteries and chargers instead of making a new battery size for every camera like Panasonic does to my great annoyance.

Ultimately, the Fuji Finepix X100 is a very limited use camera. It can't replace an LX3, GH1, D7000, or D3s. In perfect conditions it is capable of taking better images than any of those cameras, but in real world use it is unlikely to do so. You broke my heart, Fuji.

**Update 2011/06/24**
On June 24, 2011, Fujifilm provided a firmware update 1.10 that claims to fix an astounding twenty two defects in the camera. Most of the repaired defects were related to inconsistencies in the user interface. Unfortunately, the 1.10 firmware does not address any of the fatal flaws identified in this review or (IMO) fundamentally improve the operation of the camera.

http://www.amazon.com/Fujifilm-X100-Digital-Fujinon-2-8-Inch/product-reviews/B0043RS864/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_2?ie=UTF8&coliid=IHEFWUIZVQY5P&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addTwoStar&colid=2YRYUG5ZCVUFE

傻劲啊，你咋就像唐基柯德，总是生活在虚幻之中啊
无忌上X1和X100的片子一大堆，你眼睛不好使不要紧，难道你当大家眼睛也和你一样不成？
老话说的好，耳听为虚，眼见为实，你光说不练可不行啊，快去买个X100吧，不买么至少也让富士借你个装装样子吧
大家都知道你这娃啥都好就是脑子眼睛不好使，大家看了替你着急啊，真心为你好啊，有病就治别拖着，乖～

别听这些从来就没看过x1和x100的人到处翻狗屁评测胡说八道地误导楼主。
x100是一部买了就想当骗子的相机，因为一买到你就后悔，你得像一个刚被人骗了之后又不得不马上去骗别人的骗子，慌忙中巴不得马上出手。
x100到手两天我就买给了论坛的一位朋友，没两天他找到我说，你暂时别说x100不好行不行，这样影响我出手，这个相机的画质说白了就是一个卡片机。

[xhwdx 编辑于 2011-06-30 01:46]

呵呵，这回轮到我大跌眼镜了，你能看懂测评吗？这回大家理解了吧，我反复反复地要他多学习究竟是否非常正确。

测评中的结果是 “x1的畸变0.22%，x100的畸变是0.15%”，你竟然认为x1畸变小？呵呵，多次奉劝你去学习，你这水平怎能有能力和我讨论问题？呵呵，差得太远！

其实这种畸变差别可以忽略，都很小，上面120楼举例只是说明他的“百分数”是多么的滑稽。

[shajin 编辑于 2011-06-30 01:17]

这个小分析你怎么就语无伦次了呢？差10%就是差10%, 连这个都不敢正眼看。
东扯澳洲，西搬dp, 偷换概念, X1 的畸变不比X100小？错乱了吧？

看完了我120楼的回复再说这话吧，呵呵，大众摄影这篇测评当然要提，不但是大众摄影的测评，还有其他很多测评和评价，诸如TIPA、DPreview、澳大利亚网、摄影博客等等的测评，用事实用依据展示x100仅在画质上就已经胜过x1。呵呵。

[shajin 编辑于 2011-06-30 00:53]

不敢再提大众摄影了吧？

“高感噪点控制，X100完胜。这个没争议。画质（注意，这个评价是各个ISO下的综合画质。）”------这个可要注意看奥，比的是iso800以下，完胜是肯定的，分数摆在那里，你说这里面有多大的高感成份？呵呵，基础知识。

至于高感在后面的“噪点”这项检测，有意思的是，x100的iso6400竟然比x1的iso800还纯净，你的眼镜掉了吗？x1也号称是apsc，呵呵呵。

“解像力”----我认为差不多，误差之内。

“色彩。X1 得分为7.7, X100为 5.9。 两者绝对值差1.9, X1 的彩色表现胜出X100 23.38%”-------这我不得不教育你了，e文功底太差，这个应该叫“色彩准确度”，据澳大利亚专业网测试，x1的色彩偏离度102%，富士f75的色彩偏离度是103%，都要比宾得k7的121%低很多，按你的逻辑，难道f75比k7色彩更高明？色彩准确与否涉及对色彩的理解和演绎渲染，色彩有好坏之说吗？  你基本知识缺乏，继续学习！

“高光和暗部细节”“画面反差”，这两个是相关的，懂吗？一定范围内对比度高，高低光细节测试就可能好点，可是对比度每个厂家预设不同（也是可以机内调整设定的），这还涉及相机品质好坏吗？别忘了，DPreview测试的x100宽容度好过x1不少，呵呵，更滑稽可笑的是，还用超过10%来表述，你见过“A歌手得9.2分，B歌手得8.4分，A歌手唱的比B歌手好12%”这样的表述吗？哈哈哈，真是滑天下之大稽啊，大笑之余我建议你多上点学，上完大学再念研究生，提高提高。顺便教育你，并不是所有事物都能用好坏百分数定义说明的。

如果都用百分数，那么按你的逻辑，你是否认为x100的暗角抑制好于x1 无穷大？是否x100的抗畸变比x1好40% ？这真可笑了，呵呵呵。

[shajin 编辑于 2011-06-30 00:44]

稍微认真看了一下shajin最认可，最推崇，最信任和最依赖的美国《大众摄影》杂志的评价。
把数据分析一下，得到如下结论。

高感噪点控制，X100完胜。这个没争议。

画质（注意，这个评价是各个ISO下的综合画质。）

1. 解象力。X1 为了2230 线， x100是 2260 线。X1 输了30线。 为了这30线，美国《大众摄影》杂志就把 2230 线说成非常高，把2260线说成极高。这未免有失公平。

2230和2260的差值为 1.33%, 文字描述就差了一个等级。好，往下看。

2. 色彩。X1 得分为7.7, X100为 5.9。 两者绝对值差1.9, X1 的彩色表现胜出X100  23.38%。
可是，美国《大众摄影》杂志的评价都是Excellent。没区别。这肯定不公平。

3. 高光和暗部细节。X1 得分4.0, X100得分3.6。绝对值差0.4, 即X1 胜出X100 10%。

4. 画面反差。X1 得分4.0, X100得分3.6。绝对值差0.4, 即X1 胜出X100 10%。

总结：关于画质的指标X1 ：
在解象力上输X100 1.33%
在色彩上胜过X100 23.38%
在细节上胜过X100 10%
在反差上胜过X100 10%。

以上根据Shajin提供数据整理分析，应该是最专业，最权威的评测结果。

谢谢shajin提供的资料。还要讨论吗？

我求你了傻精，老是贴那几个月经贴能证明什么呢？？好歹你也要搞出点新意出来好不好。

说不定shajin家里什么人以前还得过维持会长的称号，把那委任状亮出来看看。

空口说白话是不行的，呵呵呵，美国《大众摄影》杂志的评价。

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这两部相机你到底用过没？甚至于看到过真机没有，眨眼说瞎话。
两部相机真没什么比的，x100差的不是一点点，画质上的差距更是显而易见的。别说别x1了，就连目前随便一部aps画幅的单反都超过x100.

按shajin的表达方式，可以重复如下：
这里有些x100的粉丝之言是不可信的，较片面。个人认为，仅从画质讲x1无论是高感还是低感都好于x100。

我更加认为使用者的评价比＂专业网＂对我们用户更有意义。

首先，＂专业网或杂志＂是在＂专业＂条件下的测试结果，而用户99%是不在同样场合拍片的。从某种意义上说，其结果参考价值虽有，但不大。正如测试台上得到的汽车指标，并不能在乡村小路上实现。

第二，我们这种＂爱好者＂拿着相机，几乎是天天鼓捣，天天试验，天天总结，天天体会。一个月，两个月，各种场合，各种光线，各种限制，试个遍。而＂专业＂网站呢？不过是三天，一周，一两个人负责这个版面，然后相机就被厂家收走了。长期摸索得到的叫感受，短期测试得到的叫感觉。

第三，爱好者的相机是自己花钱买的，他们是使用者，他们不是崇拜者，他们希望设备越理想越好，他们批评自己花钱买的好玩意儿或破玩意儿，他们偷着了，或后悔不已。
他们不会被买通，除非厂家送机器给他们，就像送给杂志社。因此，他们比较真实。
他们是他们自己，有自己的观点，而不是因为某种限制而必须坚持一个固定的立场，他们更实事求是。

P就不要到处放了，谁都知道你丫是什么货色。

这里有些x1的用户之言是不可信的，较片面，判断二者需要从两方面入手

论坛，可全面参阅/showthread.php?threadid=852887，要重证据，要会挑选可以作为证据的对比，个人认为，仅从画质讲x100无论是高感还是低感都好于x1。

专业网，关于x100的测评可以参看有影响力的专业网，目前看专业网对x100的评价和评分高于x1，例如Dpreview，TIPA等等有巨大影响力的专业网和专业奖

是的,胶片时代低感光度胶片贵过高感光度,低感才能表现出细腻的像质.