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[2338 楼] pentaxi [资深泡菜] 10-1-21 15:08 原文由 w18w30so530 在2010-01-21 14:17发表进尼康2.45x吧，体积与大底lx4差不多。你再进lx3二手的玩玩。这方面的，俺都关注。
[2337 楼] 三少爷 [4/3-M4/3论坛版主] 10-1-21 15:06 来围观破鞋破事~ http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2010-01-21/134819516650.shtml 引用：前不久中摄协通过2010年一号文件，在回应摄影金像奖得主桑玉柱涉嫌造假事件时，称“一些人将矛头对准金像奖组委会和中国摄影家协会，全盘否定中国摄协近年来在各方面的工作。还有一些人在互联网上公然借机攻击党领导下的文艺界人民团体体制，攻击党的文艺方针政策。” 中国网1月21日讯 1月21日上午，陕西省摄影家协会副主席石宝琇通过自己博客发表声明，宣布退出中国摄影家协会和陕西摄影家协会，以表达对中摄协的强烈失望与不满。她在博客中称“中国摄影家协会不反思在金像奖丑闻中的失察，反而发文件对批评者扣帽子打棍子。令人惊奇、疑惑、失望。” [三少爷编辑于 2010-01-21 15:12]
[2336 楼] 三少爷 [4/3-M4/3论坛版主] 10-1-21 15:03 原文由柯纳在2010-01-21 13:01发表我感觉除了韩国以外恐怕其他国家这个NX卖得最好的要数中国，80、90后哈韩还挺多的。我在想另一个问题，按电子产品制造规律，既然棒子已经搞出EVIL，国内是否也快能山寨了
[2335 楼] freeco [资深泡菜] 10-1-21 14:40 原文由蒻羽在2010-01-20 16:14发表上图是王道来张大反差黑白（GF1+20/1.7+LVF1）排队等观光电车的人们 .
[2334 楼] w18w30so530 [资深泡菜] 10-1-21 14:17 原文由 pentaxi 在2010-01-21 08:47发表不知这lx4能换个大底吗？要是换了，就符合我的需求了。进尼康2.45x吧，体积与大底lx4差不多。你再进lx3二手的玩玩。
[2333 楼] 柯纳 [资深泡菜] 10-1-21 13:01 原文由 hakukin 在2010-01-21 12:58发表如果没有完成,他们会说:我们仅仅指韩国市场... 韩国肯定没有问题的。不过他们还说了海外：原文由三少爷在2010-01-21 11:09发表 We plan to grab 50 percent of the mirrorless camera market here and overseas this year,” a Samsung executive told The Korea Herald on the sidelines of a news conference announcing the Korean launch of the NX 10. 我感觉除了韩国以外恐怕其他国家这个NX卖得最好的要数中国，80、90后哈韩还挺多的。
[2332 楼] hakukin [资深泡菜] 10-1-21 12:58 原文由三少爷在2010-01-21 11:09发表棒子声称2010将拿下EVIL市场50%的份额！ K-rumors.com Samsung Electronics said yesterday it aims to capture 50 percent of the global market for mirrorless digital cameras with interchangeable lenses this year. Its rivals in the market include Olympus and Panasonic. The Korean company said it will ...... 如果没有完成,他们会说:我们仅仅指韩国市场...
[2331 楼] 一厢情愿 [资深泡菜] 10-1-21 12:54 原文由 yked26 在2010-01-21 11:13发表色彩可以调白平衡，后期也可以调么。我一直觉得，用raw格式的话，就不用一直纠结颜色。照片还好就是麻烦点，现在相机的另外一个卖点，摄像呢。我不是提到720p了，并且对于懒人和普通消费者，颜色还是应该注意下的
[2330 楼] oldmanand [资深泡菜] 10-1-21 12:17 原文由柯纳在2010-01-21 11:09发表棒子机一再难产，去年这个时候已经展示过样机，最新谣言是3月份上柜。作为EVIL机里面最大的体积，完全失去便携的优势，非常不看好。欧美市埸是否会在乎这差别－点点大小的便携性?看看G1在欧美市埸价格就知了...
[2329 楼] 柯纳 [资深泡菜] 10-1-21 11:35 原文由三少爷在2010-01-21 11:09发表棒子声称2010将拿下EVIL市场50%的份额！还不如直接说EVIL是他们最早发明的。
[2328 楼] p992 [泡菜] 10-1-21 11:33 原文由三少爷在2010-01-21 11:09发表棒子声称2010将拿下EVIL市场50%的份额！斯密达
[2327 楼] 三少爷 [4/3-M4/3论坛版主] 10-1-21 11:13 原文由柯纳在2010-01-21 11:09发表棒子机一再难产，去年这个时候已经展示过样机，最新谣言是3月份上柜。作为EVIL机里面最大的体积，完全失去便携的优势，非常不看好。棒子雄心勃勃，还想做EVIL老大呢！
[2326 楼] yked26 [泡菜] 10-1-21 11:13 原文由一厢情愿在2010-01-21 08:54发表换大底最大的麻烦是镜头不好设计。lx前面的机器镜头就不小了，换大底尺寸上很难控制我倒是希望松下能改进下图像运算。昨晚看了下自己录的720p，颜色还是有点问题，有点发闷的感觉也许是因为机器没用好，我有空再研究研究色彩可以调白平衡，后期也可以调么。我一直觉得，用raw格式的话，就不用一直纠结颜色。
[2325 楼] 三少爷 [4/3-M4/3论坛版主] 10-1-21 11:09 棒子声称2010将拿下EVIL市场50%的份额！ K-rumors.com Samsung Electronics said yesterday it aims to capture 50 percent of the global market for mirrorless digital cameras with interchangeable lenses this year. Its rivals in the market include Olympus and Panasonic. The Korean company said it will launch interchangeable lens NX 10 cameras in Korea this month and in North America and Western Europe in early March, betting on the growth of the nascent market segment. But it remains to be seen whether runner-ups will be able to jumpstart the market, which is neglected by top-tier firms such as Canon and Nikon, market watchers said. “We plan to grab 50 percent of the mirrorless camera market here and overseas this year,” a Samsung executive told The Korea Herald on the sidelines of a news conference announcing the Korean launch of the NX 10. Samsung, which is weak in the DSRL camera business, is betting heavily on a new product category of “mirrorless cameras” that combine the features of DSLR and point-and-shoot cameras. The NX 10 is lighter and smaller like a compact camera, as it there is no mirror box and optical viewfinder as in a DSLR camera. Unlike point-and-shoot cameras, the new product features a large image sensor and interchangeable lenses, which allow the product to offer good image quality similar to a DSLR cameras, Samsung said. Samsung was optimistic about the growth of the nascent market segment, projecting that the market would expand to 9 million units in 2015 — equivalent to that of DSLR cameras. The mirrorless camera market is expected to grow from 1 million units in 2010 to 5 million units in 2012, Samsung said. “We plan to concentrate our resources on mirrorless DSLR cameras for the time being,” an Samsung executive said at a news conference. He also downplayed speculation that the company may give up its DSLR business and sever ties with Pentax, which Samsung heavily relies on for its DSLR cameras. “We have maintained close ties with Pentax, our strategic partner,” the executive said. Samsung Electronics also seeks to raise its share in the global market for point-and-shoot cameras to 15 percent this year, from 12 percent last year. “We expect a 15 percent share in the global compact camera market, “Park Sang-jin, CEO of Samsung Digital Imaging Company, said. Samsung sees camera one of its growth areas, aiming to become a top-tier brand in digital cameras by 2012.
[2324 楼] 柯纳 [资深泡菜] 10-1-21 11:09 原文由三少爷在2010-01-21 11:05发表 Samsung will launche the NX-10 on January the 23. Samsung just launched a new website samsungimaging.co.kr. They also revealed the worlwide shipping date of the new Samsung NX-10. 棒子机一再难产，去年这个时候已经展示过样机，最新谣言是3月份上柜。作为EVIL机里面最大的体积，完全失去便携的优势，非常不看好。
[2323 楼] 三少爷 [4/3-M4/3论坛版主] 10-1-21 11:05 Samsung will launche the NX-10 on January the 23. Samsung just launched a new website samsungimaging.co.kr. They also revealed the worlwide shipping date of the new Samsung NX-10. This are the prices: Samsung NX10 + 18-55mm = 899,000 wons = USD 799 Sasmung NX10 + 18-55mm + 30mm = 1,149,000 wons = USD $1019
[2322 楼] 一厢情愿 [资深泡菜] 10-1-21 08:54 原文由 pentaxi 在2010-01-21 08:47发表不知这lx4能换个大底吗？要是换了，就符合我的需求了。换大底最大的麻烦是镜头不好设计。lx前面的机器镜头就不小了，换大底尺寸上很难控制我倒是希望松下能改进下图像运算。昨晚看了下自己录的720p，颜色还是有点问题，有点发闷的感觉也许是因为机器没用好，我有空再研究研究
[2321 楼] 三少爷 [4/3-M4/3论坛版主] 10-1-21 08:49 原文由 pentaxi 在2010-01-21 08:47发表不知这lx4能换个大底吗？要是换了，就符合我的需求了。不能吧...
[2320 楼] pentaxi [资深泡菜] 10-1-21 08:47 原文由三少爷在2010-01-21 08:45发表 (FT5) Panasonic ready to launch the LX3 successor and to update the Panasonic G series. FT3) Photorumors has more details about the LX3 su ...... 不知这lx4能换个大底吗？要是换了，就符合我的需求了。
[2319 楼] 三少爷 [4/3-M4/3论坛版主] 10-1-21 08:45 (FT5) Panasonic ready to launch the LX3 successor and to update the Panasonic G series. FT3) Photorumors has more details about the LX3 successor. January 20, 2010 Rumors 5 Comments The rumor is from photorumors. We don’t know his source that’s why we post it with a “FT3″ value (which means “could be”). He says “my sources from Asia can only confirm that at least one more, high end, compact camera will be announced with new Lumix G model, but at that point it is not confirmed that it will be the LX4:” Rumored Specs: * Full manual control * New and improved image stabilization system * No RAW mode (? – LX3 did have RAW mode, another reason why this may not be a LX3 replacement). Panasonic may keep the RAW mode only for their GF line. * GPS * 720p HD video * Stereo microphones * New digital zoom function: Panasonic will unveil also a new technology that will be related to digital zoom and will make it much more useful
[2318 楼] 蒻羽 [资深泡菜] 10-1-20 16:14 上图是王道来张大反差黑白（GF1+20/1.7+LVF1）
[2317 楼] 一厢情愿 [资深泡菜] 10-1-20 09:06 原文由三少爷在2010-01-20 08:10发表 28mm可以算是135的一个经典焦段，很难用是真的。畸变可以机内矫正不是问题，另外哥俩的饼干是错着出的，12轮到O记出反正我用不好，28用的不如35或者40舒服，也不够广其实p的14－45这个头我觉得不狗，挺好的，来张刚买gf1的时候照的，再过几个月这里就全是樱花了
[2316 楼] 一厢情愿 [资深泡菜] 10-1-20 08:13 原文由三少爷在2010-01-19 19:23发表是啊，20/1.7全开的中心分辨率已经相当好了。看一个机器得客观，比如M43，常有人拿小dc和它比体积重量，拿定焦牛头和小饼干比画质，拿135FF和它比高iso。就得出结论m43既不轻便，画质也不好....的确够晕的感觉有些人就是没事找事，昨晚不还有个人在43那边发帖，说给富士支招，出用super ccd的evil机，绝对秒杀43什么的。同id的其他贴子也很无里头，明显是没用过43的，就在那一个劲的骂。不知道这东西咋招惹他了。用gf，感觉p直出的颜色还是不如o，但是o确实太慢了，不大适合抓东西。为啥两家不合作下出点缺点不那么鲜明的机器呢～我不怎么看好三星的那个机器，nikon的底更小但也因此可以做的更小，就是估计又得再换镜头系统并且广角更难做了。现在的m43，尺寸和43如410比也就是薄了一点点同时脑门没了。体积上就这么难再继续缩减么
[2315 楼] 三少爷 [4/3-M4/3论坛版主] 10-1-20 08:10 原文由一厢情愿在2010-01-20 07:57发表 28这个焦段很尴尬，说广不够广，畸变之类的也很难控制为啥它不出12或者10的饼干，是非常难做么原来25饼干刚出的时候很多人讨论那个头的构造，现在既然去掉了反光板，没有打板问题，应该能做个差不多的广角饼干吧？ 28mm可以算是135的一个经典焦段，很难用是真的。畸变可以机内矫正不是问题，另外哥俩的饼干是错着出的，12轮到O记出
[2314 楼] oldmanand [资深泡菜] 10-1-20 08:09 原文由三少爷在2010-01-20 07:46发表老O可以关注一下P的14/2.8 Panasonic and Olympus will both soon launch the new MicroFourThirds lenses. – Olympus 9-18/4.0-5.6 (February-March 2010) – Olympus 14-150/4.0-5.6 (May-June 2010) – Olympus 40-150 lens (February-March 2010) – Panasonic Lumix G Vario f/4.0-5.6 100-300 mm (Februa ...... 最后可能在v12和p14中挑一个,哈哈我说的是P14要大大的好过14-45才行,僅光圈大不行...我不需要大光圈,宁可他f4.5也行...
[2313 楼] 一厢情愿 [资深泡菜] 10-1-20 07:57 原文由三少爷在2010-01-20 07:46发表老O可以关注一下P的14/2.8 Panasonic and Olympus will both soon launch the new MicroFourThirds lenses. – Olympus 9-18/4.0-5.6 (February-March 2010) – Olympus 14-150/4.0-5.6 (May-June 2010) – Olympus 40-150 lens (February-March 2010) – Panasonic Lumix G Vario f/4.0-5.6 100-300 mm (Februa ...... 28这个焦段很尴尬，说广不够广，畸变之类的也很难控制为啥它不出12或者10的饼干，是非常难做么原来25饼干刚出的时候很多人讨论那个头的构造，现在既然去掉了反光板，没有打板问题，应该能做个差不多的广角饼干吧？
[2312 楼] 三少爷 [4/3-M4/3论坛版主] 10-1-20 07:46 原文由 oldmanand 在2010-01-20 05:07发表早了,有三个月等待期吧?趁空挡多上片!陪三少玩17mm,此17非那17,說句心里话17及以下的鏡令人满意的挺难找,盼O或P能生产－个高质17mm以下头,改善一下2x的遗憾.... 老O可以关注一下P的14/2.8 Panasonic and Olympus will both soon launch the new MicroFourThirds lenses. – Olympus 9-18/4.0-5.6 (February-March 2010) – Olympus 14-150/4.0-5.6 (May-June 2010) – Olympus 40-150 lens (February-March 2010) – Panasonic Lumix G Vario f/4.0-5.6 100-300 mm (February-March 2010?) – Panasonic Lumix 14mm pancake lens (February-March 2010?) – Panasonic Lumix G 8mm Fish-Eye APSH f/3.5
[2311 楼] oldmanand [资深泡菜] 10-1-20 05:34 原文由一厢情愿在2010-01-19 16:30发表发一句牢骚，怎么4／3那边弱智贴子那么多一会儿是紫边，一会儿又是掉漆，一会儿又是100％成像软……紫边那个先不说多严重了，用g10的照片做底板合并照片？不合常理吧。掉漆你上pp呗，一有人怀疑就是那一句“说不起了？”100％成像软就更搞笑了，马赛克机器有100％成像很牛的机器？ 4／3是有很多不足，画质本来就不是它最 ...... 赞成老兄看法.砸要砸得他人心服口服,可用牛头牛片耒PK,我对M4/3很有信心,也不怕PK,20f1.7也有,够銳了..说20f1.7偏软似乎不大多见!
[2310 楼] oldmanand [资深泡菜] 10-1-20 05:21
[2309 楼] oldmanand [资深泡菜] 10-1-20 05:07 原文由原子广告在2010-01-19 23:17发表关注。。。啥时候开卖。早了,有三个月等待期吧?趁空挡多上片!陪三少玩17mm,此17非那17,說句心里话17及以下的鏡令人满意的挺难找,盼O或P能生产－个高质17mm以下头,改善一下2x的遗憾....[oldmanand 编辑于 2010-01-20 05:09]