The 1D4 Rumours
2009 June

23rd We're told [thanks] of a large UK dealer that has one 1D3 in stock and said that 'it was their last one'.

An odd comment if a replacement was not going to be announced until Aug/September. Anyone else noted a shortage of the 1D3?

BTW - In the 'specs' posted on the 17th I mistyped the max ISO as 26500, not 25600 (fixed now). It's interesting to see this typo make its way round various rumour sites and forums, both with attribution and without :-)

22nd Time for 1D3 owners to have a word with their Canon rep? From a long 1D4 thread on [POTN] and attributed to a CPS rep.

"...hinted that a 1D upgrade might be in the works for the end of the year--first part of next year-with a redesigned mirror box assembly.Hardware production may have been scaled back but R&D is still going forward.
The other thing he stressed was that Mk III owners that still had problems needed to get in contact with their local CPS rep--and they would be satisfied..."
This would still fit with a late summer announcement - delivery of a few cameras before Christmas.

In additional comments from out 'Tester' we've a bit more on that test camera:

Looks and feels like a 1DMk3 except for some moved buttons and reshaped top.
Battery life is extremely good
Only the supplied version of DPP can process the RAW images, but the dynamic range is impressive, with lots of shadow detail that can be pulled out.
It seems that there are quite a few of these out and about. It was supplied 'blacked out' where the IV and 1D should be, but with 'Canon' still visible.

18th Fixed typo in yesterdays comments about sRAW

17th 1D4 testing? Comments from a Canon camera tester.

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Canon, it seems, are particularly keen for reports of problems in sports use ;-)

Note this refers to a particular test camera, and as Canon regularly tell people doing testing 'not all features may make it to production'.

1.3 crop
Images ~16MP
ISO 50-25600
8MP sRAW1 format providing images that seem to best 1D3 files in detail
Very clean images at ISO 3200. 6400/12800 take further processing very well
Slightly faster FPS than 1D3 in real life shooting
AF greatly improved and very good in low light (actual comment was 'Nikon fast' ;-)
Liveview AF - not up to fast sports use, but very usable otherwise
Video as with 5D2
Screen as per 5D2
Ergonomic improvements with grips - some buttons moved
Feels faster and more responsive in nearly all aspects of real use.
Testing is carried out on different parts of cameras in different bodies, so if a 1D4 arrives in August, expect the specs to be pretty close. If it doesn't turn up until January, then quite a bit could be different (such as an FF sensor, which we've also heard of being tested)

14th We're told (thanks) of a conversation with a Canon rep in the US. Their comment was that if you want better noise/ISO/MP/AF and FF then the new 1D will only disappoint on the FF front.

"The real engineering issue here is the speed of the mirror on FF bodies. The 1.3 size allows for faster mirror operation."

Nothing on video though...

13th Aug 25th for 60D and 1D4? [CR]

10th More comments that the 1D4 may still be a crop (~15MP) sensor [CR]

Some new cameras also seen in the wild? [POTN]

3rd In an update from one of our longer lived sources, they were told that the 'new 1D' could be purchased by the end of the year and that it would include 'HD Video'.

2nd Suggestions of an Autumn (Fall) launch for both 1D4 and 1Ds4

In Spanish at DSLRMag. The suggestion is that we may not see a full frame 1D4.

May 20th Faster FPS with sRAW for the 1D4? [CR]

We've had comments for some time pointing to Canon developments in pixel binning technologies, and before long are expecting that much as you currently make a trade-off between noise and ISO, there will be more such options available.

13th A new '1' series is spotted being tested in Canada [DPR]. Follow the tread and see what you can work out...

10th 16MP, 10fps, and built in WiFi are amongst the latest suggestions

That and video performance to leave the 5D2 in its wake (later threads at POTN)

April 28th We hear from Spain (thanks) about a well known camera tester (Valentin Sama) who says Canon are soon going to lend agencies/press photographers beta versions of its new "high end" cameras. [DSLR]

"Se confirma que Canon proporcionará en breve, a fotógrafos de agencias de prensa, unidades de nuevo/s modelo/s profesionales cara a su testeo "beta". Los anuncios podrían ser para mediados de agosto."

Possible mid August release?

26th A couple of comments today (thanks) that suggested that much improved video (over 5D2 functionality) would be reserved for a 1D series update, and that it would be 'soon'.

Of course 'soon' is a rather flexible term when coming from a Canon rep at a trade show. I suspect this year rather than next.

21st A possible pointer to a September launch? At CR they note a Reuters NDA with Canon June-Aug. Hopefully not just for a new range of office copiers...

18th At last, someone has got round to 'finding' a 1D MkIV image.

See the full picture on FM

Usual photoshop warnings apply ;-)

14th From a Chinese forum [Thanks] there is a suggestion that the 1D4 will come in June/July.

This from a press contact enquiring of Canon about buying new kit [Xi].

Only brief specs:

16MP
FF
Better high ISO
Lower noise
3rd How about:

"18.2 mp, 12fps, 3.2" OCD rear screen, full frame, 65 zone metering with contrast distinction, 48 focus pts (48,21,11). The mirror is being redesigned and will not move. Viewfinder larger and brighter. Wireless file transfer capability via wifi. And more."

A suggestion at POTN...

Some aspects are similar to what we've heard in the past, but as yet, we're not putting more than a side bet on these specs.

March 31st A hint? Read those tea-leaves and look at the front of the latest spring EOS system catalogue [DPR]

10th Another comment from PMA [SS] suggesting that there won't be a Mk4 until next year.

Several suggestions in an FM thread, that it will be 16MP but it won't be FF.

Add to that a Canon announcement of an event on the 25th and we can expect the rumour pot to bubble a bit more...

9th Although we've had a few comments suggesting a 1D3 update this year, there are others such as CR and our own info at the end of last month, that suggest it may not be till 2010 that the 1D4 is seen.

Well... at least it rattles a few cages on DPR ;-)

7th From Germany we hear of a comment at a major dealership, concerning a new camera to be announced -after- PMA.

The 'new' 1D will supposedly be 16MP and full frame.

Whilst most people reserve a degree of skepticism for comments via dealers, it's worth noting that this news lost them a 5D2 sale.

On todays general rumours page we noted a suggestion of a Canon announcement on the 25th. Comments we had last week suggested that it would be Autumn before a new 1D would be seen.

February 28th From our main rumours page

The all new AF is not yet ready and sales of the 1D III have picked up.

Given the importance of the AF issues, this won't be rushed.

Two dates are targeted for potential release, August 2009 or January/ February 2010 (3 year cycle).

A key design target for the new model is to have much improved autofocus in movie mode and live view. This would allow well over 10FPS in a smaller raw or JPEG image mode with main mirror lock up.

The aim is to create a class leading FPS for sports.  15-20FPS is in Canon's sights.  

Much is still dependent on getting AF not just right, but impressively so.

Broad specs are still similar to what we were told in November

FF sensor with dynamic cropping and various sRAW options
A 21mp FF sensor is the equivalent of a ~12.8MP 1.3 crop. 21MP is a proven resolution and a worthwhile step up for 1D III users.
It could though be a ‘slightly denser’ chip in the 24+MP range. So as not to be seen trailing the Sony A900 and Nikon D3x
At that pixel density there is still a potential level of ISO sensitivity improvement that could be easily added.
Movie Mode and GPS/wireless are almost certain
A visibly different AF system to deal with the market backlash over the 1D III
25th A thread at DPR suggests a 1D4

"The Mk4 will bring in to line recent upgrades seen in the 5DMk2, such as 920k LCD, Movie mode & revised AF and higher ISO capabilities."

Not much actual info if you follow the thread...

11th No update at PMA according to PB

January 29th A comment [POTN] via a Canon Rep suggests a 'new Mk3' and a 'rebel with video'

27th We were sent the screen image of the supposed 1D3N stock listing.

This is the key bit - note the price 4240 Euros

Whoever originally posted the image obviously took the time to remove some bits of the screen image - of course this says nothing about the reliability of the image.

Anyone know any more of this?

26th Has a stock code for a 1D3N been sighted on a German computer? At [CR] they're not sure...

A quick review of what the 1D2N changed

Model Announced Effective pixels  Sensor size  Continuous High (JPEG)  LCD monitor  
EOS-1D Mark II Jan 2004 8.2 mp 1.3x crop 8.3 fps, 40 frames 2.0"
EOS-1D Mark II N Aug 2005 8.2 mp 1.3x crop 8.3 fps, 48 images 2.5"
EOS-1D Mark III Feb 2007 10.1 mp 1.3x crop 10.0 fps, 110 images 3.0" (Live view)

We actually have a page dating from the last update, which details the 1D2 to 1D2N differences.

What might we get? A better display, a bit bigger buffer?

16th More interesting comment on the implications of video at events in this [POTN] thread.

12th We've had several comments on the 'broadcast' implications of including video, from sports photographers, including several that have used the 5D2 for some work, but deliberately didn't shoot any video 'just in case' ;-)

The overall feeling I got was that this was something that would be sorted out and could be incorporated into existing contracts and agreements.

There is a suggestion of a May 19th Announcement date [CR]

When it does come, expect to see one or more new versions of white prime lenses to go along with it (most date from the last century)

2008 December 31st I've seen several threads of late suggesting that including video in the next 'sports' 1 series might run up against problems with some sports official bodies with respect to 'broadcast rights'.

This example [DPR] w.r.t Football

"...Canon has a replacement for the 1D MKIII ready to launch during the second quarter of 2009. What's holding Canon back is a decision from FIFA ... to allow pro-cameras with video capability ( see 5D MKII) during sporting events. FIFA is currently looking into the legal implications with television rights and contracts with broadcasters. If FIFA give the green light then Canon will release the camera."

Not having any professional connection with sports photography at all, I'm not sure the extent to which this is a real issue?

20th Interestingly, as some sources suggest an announcement in the next month or two, we've had a comment from one of our 'longer lived' sources suggesting that any announcement has been put back to later in the year.

Is it the combination of the economy and the less than enthusiastic response (in some quarters) to the Nikon D3x that makes a launch somewhat less imperative? That or a chance to test the new AF a bit more ;-)

15th A Swedish blog - after talking with a senior Canon Exec

More video to come and this (Google translation)

"The speculation part of the professional models, new land IV's. On 22 February 2007 was the Canon EOS 1D Mark III. Earlier, the modellcyklerna for professional cameras have been 3 years. Ingvar reveals that we can expect shorter cycles to come.
Then he smiles and says to me soon, very soon will be invited to the next product launch."
...or in better English ;-)

"He says he will invite the journalists for new products "Soon, very soon" also we should expect shorter than the usual 3 years of product life in the pro segment."

Look for an announcement as soon as January 22nd, 2009

2008 December 12th 1D3 and/or 1Ds3 updates by April at the earliest? A Canon service inspired rumour [POTN]

"Canon were set to announce a whole new revamp to their top of the line model - and possibly [an]other in the 1 range" ... 3D anyone? :-)

5th How about a camera next Autumn?

Some assorted set of specs from [CR]

MP: 21.1 FF
ISO: 100-12800 (L:50 - H: 51,200)
Proc: Dual DIGIC IV
LCD: 3.5" VGA LCD
FPS: 10fps
AF: 45 Point AF
AF: Face Detection
Various Crop Modes
LiveView with new AF
Movie Mode
Ergonomic Updates
GPS
Wifi
Dual CF & SD (4 total slots)
Also mentioned was the possibility of a super high speed crop mode.

November 28th After recent comments we've had, we went back to some of our previous sources and asked what's happening with the 1 series next year.

For the 'sports' Camera...

The favourite is still a FF sensor with dynamic cropping and various sRAW options

A 21mp FF sensor is the equivalent of a ~12.8MP 1.3 crop. 21MP is a proven resolution and a worthwhile step up for 1D III users.

It could though be a ‘slightly denser’ chip in the 24+MP range. So as not to be seen trailing the Sony A900 and Nikon D3x (24.5MP see D3x page)

At that pixel density there is still a potential level of ISO sensitivity improvement that could be easily added.

Two DIGIC 4 processors has the bandwidth for the ISO improvements and 10fps

Movie Mode and GPS/wireless are almost certain

Key emphasis is a visibly different AF system to deal with the market backlash over the 1D III

March / April 2009 is expected.

This camera's natural competitor is still the Nikon D3, over which it would have a 50%+ resolution advantage at what Canon feel to be lower noise high ISOs.

For the Studio Camera 1Ds3 replacement.

Less critical in timing than the 'sports' model (September 2009).

Canon are looking at a lot higher resolution.  Think 50D pixels (~38MP), one further generation of low ISO performance (so that about 39Mp) which can manage 5fps with dual DIGIC 4.

This camera's natural competitor is the Nikon D3x over which it would have a 50%+ resolution advantage at what Canon feel to be lower noise high ISOs.

We've also some more general Canon info on the main rumours/7D page

26th We've had a comment that the 1Ds3 and 1D3 lines will finally get merged next year with a new 1D style body at 26MP full frame, with a fast fps cropped mode (15MP) and complex pixel binning based modes. The AF is redesigned too.

Whilst it sounds nice, I've heard far more comments that the two lines are addressing different enough markets to stay apart for a while yet.

October 18th In the 'Sure they'll bring out an APS-C One series camera' category, we have a supposed press release for 4th Nov at CR (a 1Di fyi)

8.2MP, APS-C - electronic mirror and no mention of those pesky video capabilities - :-)

16th On CR, a potential announcement date for new Canon stuff - Feb 10th for replacements for the 1D3, 450D (Rebel XSi) and 1000D (Rebel XS) and two lenses (not the 35L since that's for the 1Ds4 in the Summer). It's also suggested that it won't be called a 1D mark 4

Any change of name is probably a marketing led initiative to distance the camera from the 1D3 and its 'issues'

September 22nd Some 1D4 specs [DPR]

Redesigned AF system. AF points can be visibly seen during servo mode now if you turn it on.
16MP sensor.
10fps
3" VGA resolution screen with 1:1 pixel view.
1.3x crop
1080p/720p selectable video (still 30fps ?). A Canon wireless mic may be an accessory...
ISO range 100-6400 expandable in third stop steps to H1 and H2 - and L for ISO 50. Poss ISO 25?
ExFAT support as an option for formatting cards but the default is still FAT32.
SD/CF has been retained. One card can be configured for video and another for photos.
Same look/feel as the 1D III
20th The 1D4 is expected for next March, whilst it may even be launched with the 1Ds4 if Canon feel that they can steal a march on any new Nikon FF cameras.

However with distinct noises of a Nikon announcement as soon as November [D3x page] who knows when we might see changes.

We also noted a claim [DPR] that 1D3 production has stopped

From the 1Ds4 page

A dual Digic 4 approach can handle a FF camera at 50D pixel density (38MP) at 1Ds speeds, while Canon are again trialling a camera with 1.6, 1.3 and FF dynamic cropping as well as movie mode, for a sports Camera.
There are two current AF design tasks going on. There is the 'all new Pro' version with many more AF points and new tracking algorithms, and the 'next generation' approach, based on the 45 point system, but with more cross and 2.8 type sensors, and a lot more processing power. The 'All New' version will not be seen until it has been -very- solidly tested. This will not delay the replacement of the 1D3 and 1Ds3. Expect considerable re-badging of whatever AF is found in the next 1D to make a break from the 'problems' of the 1D3.
3rd More Canon technical info....

60D features, 70D prospects, feature migration from the 'pro' range and the wholesale redesign of what a 'professional' camera is. (warning - mentions EVF - I know this scares some people ;-)

Info on the 60D page (now updated with lots more info just received)

August 24th Following on from the general Canon technical plans information we received the other day (see 5D2 page) we were told to expect to start seeing some serious price drops on the 1Ds3 in readiness for new 1 series cameras next year. Not until other high MP competitors (Sony, Nikon) start shipping though.

22nd Although I hear of some dealer shortages in Germany, I'd not expecting the next '1' series camera until early next year.

In an interesting FM post there is some comment about what we can expect to see before too long from Canon.

Some quotes:

"For a while now Canon is shortening is DSLR cycles too. The ID III and IDs III will not have the usual 1D three year lifecycle."
"DIGIC IV is real and part of Canons DSLR futures. It has the 2 to 1 and 4 to 1 pixel binning and next generation noise reduction capabilities. Note the [50D] sRAW1 and sRAW2 specs. sRAW1 with a 15.1mp sensor creates great 7.6mp images with something like a 2 stop noise advantage over the 30D at 8mp. They can take a 15.1mp sensor and ISO 12800 and produce stunning images in sRAW2."
"Canon have been working on 100% microlens, low voltage low noise sensors capable of native ISO 12800. They suffer from some quantisation noise at smaller pixel sizes (limited by physics) but this is fixed by pixel binning to create virtual larger pixels when you need the really high ISOs."
Given the 'leaked' 50D specs, it will be interesting to see if the next cameras from Canon show any of these features.

We checked with one of our previous sources, who confirmed that much of the FM post seemed quite accurate - we've some updated info on this on the 5D2 page

12th After perhaps the shock of not seeing a continuous wall of white lenses at the Olympics, 'discussion' has started on the next 50MP 1D4 at DPR, of course the more knowledgeable posters are pointing out the well known lens resolution problems that have already rendered my 21MP 1Ds3 almost useless... ;-)

The 50MP figure pops up every so often, based on that experimental sensor info from Canon a while ago. We've the 'new technology' info we were sent this time last year:

"DIGIC IV uses less power, and is faster than the dual DIGIC 3 found in the 1D3 and 1Ds3. In particular it can support 16bit raw and the larger 40-50MP sensors under development. With the larger sensors, it also supports pixel-binning where pixels are aggregated to deliver low noise and higher ISO performance at lower resolutions.
Canon is working on a new generation CMOS sensor – lower voltage, full 100% cover micro-lenses and better dynamic range allowing 16 bit per channel raw files.
These will support a clean 6400 ISO similar to today's 1600 and go to 25600 with acceptable noise.
Target for this is the next generation of the 1D series cameras in 2010, before spreading to other models. These are being trialled at 50MP in FF format"
Look for any new prime 'L' glass to be extremely sharp if it's going to be for this ;-)

2008 August 6th After people have read the article by Rob Galbraith on 1D3 AF issues, there has been renewed talk about a 1D4 or 1D3N.

Note though, from many of the 'comments' I've seen, I suspect a lot of people didn't really read all of it ;-)

Whilst many still suggest it will be three years between 1D3 and 4 (ie early 2010) there are lots of comments suggesting that Canon might pull out something a bit sooner.

In a DPR thread it was pointed out that: "in Europe Canon has been selling quite a few 1D mkIII bodies on Ebay through their outlet channel lately. All were refurbished bodies with full warranty. It surprised me though that they were selling about 20-30 of them in just a few weeks. Most were sold for about 2/3 of lowest new price."

July 8th Renewed speculation of multiple Canon releases (see 5d2 page for general details) now include a new 1 series camera - 'just' 10MP and with superb low light performance.

I do quite a lot of available light work, and while my 1Ds3 is good, a FF 1 series high ISO special would, even at 10MP, be excellent. The clients I have for this sort of work rarely want huge prints and I do have to remember just what I could get from the 11MP of the 1Ds

If there was anything in this I suspect it would be a FF version of the 1D3 that we'd see - look at the D3 and see which specs to knock over...
May 28th In true rumour style I note a call [POTN] for a 1D3 replacement in February :-)

In a bit more solid support of this I heard from someone who was at a Canon presentation, where it was stated that there would not be a new 1D series camera this year...

11th A 10.1 MP FF sensor for the 1D3n?

Comment on a site (Google translation) Japanese

6th Some Autumn 1DMk3N info? Japanese page (Google translation for amusement ;-)

April 30th At FM there's a post suggesting June for the next series of Canon releases. As well as the usual 5D2 there is a 1DMk3N and two lenses (note no appearance of June in the list below)

23rd With the expected non-announcement yesterday, there's been a lot more speculation about a possible 1D3n appearing this summer.

For the seers out there it's worth looking at the release dates of the One series

Model Announced Effective pixels  Sensor size  Continuous High (JPEG)  LCD monitor  
EOS-1D Sep 2001 4.2 mp 1.3x crop 8.0 fps, 21 frames 2.0"
EOS-1Ds Sep 2002 11.1 mp Full frame 3.0 fps, 10 frames 2.0"
EOS-1D Mark II Jan 2004 8.2 mp 1.3x crop 8.3 fps, 40 frames 2.0"
EOS-1Ds Mark II Sep 2004 16.7 mp Full frame 4.0 fps, 32 images 2.0"
EOS-1D Mark II N Aug 2005 8.2 mp 1.3x crop 8.3 fps, 48 images 2.5"
EOS-1D Mark III Feb 2007 10.1 mp 1.3x crop 10.0 fps, 110 images 3.0" (Live view)
EOS-1Ds Mark III Aug 2007 21.1 mp Full frame 5.0 fps, 56 images 3.0" (Live view)

The IIn does look a bit of an aberation.

I'd personally expect a (FF) Mk4 rather than seeing a IIIn. It -might- come in for PMA 2009 but I'd expect a 2.5-3 year cycle like before. Of course that doesn't rule out the fabled 3D next year, of even a cheaper FF camera such as is alluded to in the Canon Exec's recent remarks (5D2 page). The FF landscape should look a bit different by then ;-)

My own thought is that we will see quite a bit more new glass yet this year (and yes I'm still personally looking for a couple of all new tilt/shift lenses)

18th At DCW there is an interview (in Japanese) that drops a few hints about what Canon is planning.

Here's one translation from babelfish and one from Google (more info and translations on the 5D2 page)

Some have seen some of this as evidence for another full frame camera other than the 5D replacement. However, if you look at the machine translations they could say almost anything. Also, knowing the somewhat eliptical way (to me) that Japanese executives describe business plans, it could mean almost anything.

9th Another 1D3n rumour at USPI

"a Canon 1d MKIIIn is on its way around Sept, full frame"

March 12th Is there an announcement of something this Autumn?

Lots of rumours on the 5D2 page, which includes this, about something else new...

"The new Canon flagship, this Fall, will have a "1.5:1 price/performance advantage to the Nikon flagship." (Read carefully: this statement refers to the coming Canon flagship, not the 5D II being discussed here)."

Could this be the high speed FF camera to (hopefully) put some of Canon's 1D3 AF woes behind them?

February 6th Some future hints in an interview with Chuck Westfall at CNET.

FF market to expand in 2008
APS-H (1.3 crop) is cheaper but that's its main advantage over FF
1D3 fix makes things better
... but we are still looking at it
Geotagging - it's on the way
Fuel cells [CW mentioned this back in 2005]
OLED displays before long
"-- With Nikon and now Sony adding weight to the full-frame market, what role is there for the in-between sensor size, APS-H? (It's about halfway between the full-frame sensors used in the high-end SLRs and the APS-C sensors use in the top-selling models such as the Rebel XTi and 40D. The APS-H is used in the 1D Mark III and its predecessors.)
Westfall: When we started it at the time, the idea was to compete against APS-C. In that respect it was successful. At that point it was about what the competition had to offer. It's only been in the last six months that there has been an alternative. We've had a good long run with APS-H"

So it's an FF 1D4, with OLED display, built in GPS and powered by methanol (You can also see this in this 2005 PDF with his thoughts on where digital cameras were going (don't expect too much! ;-)

5th The news that Canon have a 'Final Fix' for the 1D3 AF problem (see 1D3 page) is still being digested, although as yet Canon have not actually said anything officially (no-one believe they were naive enough to think news like this would be kept to the select few originally informed)

What effect this has on the follow up for the 1D3 is unclear, although it now seems much more likely to be full frame. In an interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon US in the video on this page (parts in English after about 50 seconds) he notes that the when the 1D3 was announced, there was no full frame competition, whereas there is now. Given he's a PR man this is about as strong a hint as any that the 1D'x' will be full frame.

Did he said that Canon would 'eventually' move to FF for all but introductory cameras a few years ago? (this is often supposed, but see December 6th 2006 in our rumours archive for what he actually said)

January 30th Will there be a trade-in program once whatever follows the 1D3 appears? This from FM

"...the Canon rep told him that there will probably be a program where present owners of the 1DmkIII will be permitted to turn in there cameras toward a new 1DmkIIIN. When there will be a MKIIIN wasn't clear."

16th Some latest comments we were sent about something (24MP) that might fulfil the role of 1D3 follow-up are on the 5D2 page (25FPS version later this year/early next -- £1800 with a range of 'kit' lenses :-)

4th More suggestions from Germany, pointing to a recent 500 Euro fall in 1D3 prices.

2007 December 2nd Whilst I personally think it's too early for any replacement to be announced (after 1 year), there's a post on a German board which roughly translates (Google) as:

"In brief: In February comes a new 1D MarkIIIN on the market, meanwhile recalled all 1D MarkIII in the affected serial numbers, and conversion to a new MarkIIIN."

i.e. swap your dodgy 1D3 for a shiny new 1D3N :-) :-)

November 13th In an interesting mail we were sent, which updated some details of the material we had in September, it would seem that there will be no 1D Mk. IIIN and no 1D Mk. IV... It's the 1Dx (or whatever 'x' is ;-)

"The 1DMk3 AF issues have been a great embarrassment for Canon. The camera is not selling as well as hoped. The D3 and Nikon's new lenses are now seen as a serious threat to the sports and photojournalism market segments.

The 1D III was intended to be a ground-breaking camera, but now is considered 'Kyou' or bad luck, attributed to it being the 4th camera in the 1D Series.

The new camera -will- be a 1D but with a new name - expect it to appear in Aug/Sept of 2008"

Some 'headline' specs

Same form factor as current 1 Series
Full Frame 16MP sensor (end of 1.3 crop cameras)
ISO 100 to 6400 (expandible 50 and 12800)
Live View with contrast detection AF and HD Video capture (It is considered this will revolutionise photo journalism and meet growing requirement for web news video and cross media feeds).
Stills can be grabbed from HD Video capture but only at 2MP resolution.
1.3x crop mode with viewfinder masking and reduced size RAW (10MP) with significantly improved buffer for cropped RAW images
10 fps, buffer similar for FF images.
Whilst I always make a point of reminding people that these rumour pages are just that, and to take what you see here accordingly, this bit of info fits well into other stuff we've had (as good rumours should! ;-)

And yes the picture above is fake! I've been doing 'real' PS work all morning and got bored :-)
31st October Whilst waiting for Canon to announce the details of the fix for the 1D3 AF problems, I notice that people are starting to ask about a possible 1D3N or 1D4.

The 1D2N came out about 18 months after the 1D2, so if Canon want to add a better LCD and improve the AF on liveview, then look for an announcement ready in time for Photokina 2008 (see our info below). Look for a slew of updated features, but probably not the sensor. One thing that may well move this on nicely is the return of Nikon as a real competitor in many areas that Canon had perhaps been a bit too comfortable in...

17th September From our large quantity of Canon related info received recently there's some pointers to what could be in the MK4

Digic IV uses less power, and is faster than the dual Digic 3 found in the 1D3 and 1Ds3. In particular it can support 16bit raw and the larger 40-50MP sensors under development. With the larger sensors, it also supports pixel-binning where pixels are agregated to deliver low noise and higher ISO performance at lower resolutions.

Canon is working on a new generation CMOS sensor – lower voltage, full 100% cover micro-lenses and better dynamic range allowing 16 bit A/D per pixel raw files.

These will support a clean 6400 ISO similar to today's 1600 and go to 25600 with acceptable noise.

The next generation low voltage CMOS generally gives 1 to 2 stops lower noise at higher ISOs

Target for this is the next generation of the 1D series cameras in 2010, before spreading to other models. These are being trialled with 'normal' sensors and others at 40-50MP in FF format (not 'in the field' for a year or so)

Canon is very excited about these sensors – seeing them as being as big a step up in performance as their move from CCD to CMOS a decade ago.

What to do with those 50MP images... Canon is considering built in hard drives (moving or solid state) in the 80-100gb range in future generations of cameras – mostly likely in a optional grip.

A even higher FPS, with mirror lockup just using sensor contrast AF allowing even higher frame rates.

Dynamic 1.3 crop is an option, but was not seen as an important feature at the time by people testing the 1D3

Canon have working MPEG DIGIC III code for their P&S range. This was tried in some of the test cameras sent out during 1D Mk3 trials. It's expected that this will appear in the entry level camera (xxxD range) next year (2008)

Canon is seeing this as an important feature in the 1D Mk IV range in 2010 (it would be HD video)

1DMk3n
There might yet be a 1DMk3n - but given the 3 year development cycle this won't be decided until next year. Options include

High resolution rear LCD
Contrast based live AF
Newer more temperature tolerant AF sensors (they are already in the 40D)
DIGIC IV which would allow even faster frame rates
23rd August Nikon move to FF too (Nikon D3 info) Very interesting specs and well worth a look for 1D3 users - look to see some of these features in the 1D3N ;-)

Note the attention in the press release given to 11FPS and the AF system ;-)

When was that camera announced?

Model Announced Effective pixels  Sensor size  Continuous High (JPEG)  LCD monitor  
EOS-1D Sep 2001 4.2 mp 1.3x crop 8.0 fps, 21 frames 2.0"
EOS-1Ds Sep 2002 11.1 mp Full frame 3.0 fps, 10 frames 2.0"
EOS-1D Mark II Jan 2004 8.2 mp 1.3x crop 8.3 fps, 40 frames 2.0"
EOS-1Ds Mark II Sep 2004 16.7 mp Full frame 4.0 fps, 32 images 2.0"
EOS-1D Mark II N Aug 2005 8.2 mp 1.3x crop 8.3 fps, 48 images 2.5"
EOS-1D Mark III Feb 2007 10.1 mp 1.3x crop 10.0 fps, 110 images 3.0" (Live view)
EOS-1Ds Mark III Aug 2007 21.1 mp Full frame 5.0 fps, 56 images 3.0" (Live view)

The original EOS 1DMk3

UK PR
Canon today sets new standards for professional photography with the launch of the EOS-1D Mark III. Delivering 10 frames per second at 10.1 Megapixels for a maximum burst of 110 Large JPEG images (30 in RAW), the EOS-1D Mark III replaces the EOS-1D Mark II N as the world’s fastest digital SLR. Dual “DIGIC III” processors drive the camera’s high speed, high resolution performance, and bring 14-bit image processing to the EOS series for the first time.

A ground-up redesign introduces a host of new features and advancements to Canon’s flagship EOS-1 series, including a 3.0” LCD with Live View mode, EOS Integrated Cleaning System, new auto focus system with 19 cross-type sensors, and 63-zone exposure metering. The camera’s APS-H size (28.1 x 18.7 mm) CMOS sensor enables a wider 100-3200 ISO range as standard, expandable to L:50 and H:6400.

“The EOS-1D Mark III represents a complete reappraisal of everything Canon has learned over the past 20 years of EOS development,” said Tsunemasa Ohara, Senior General Manager, Camera Development Center, Canon Inc. “In building this camera, we started with a blank canvas. Every facet of the photographic process has been refined, every design decision re-evaluated to bring us to this point: a camera that combines familiar EOS ergonomics with a vastly enhanced specification. Our engineers are overjoyed with the result.”

Key features

10.1 Megapixel APS-H CMOS sensor
10 fps continuous shooting for up to 110 frames
Dual “DIGIC III” processors
New auto focus system with 19 cross type sensors
EOS Integrated Cleaning System
ISO 3200 (expandable to H:6400)
3.0” LCD with Live View mode
Wider, brighter viewfinder
Picture Style1
The choice of professionals

The EOS-1D line has enjoyed massive popularity among the world’s leading sports, reportage and wildlife photographers, with international wire agencies AFP, Getty and Reuters choosing Canon for their photographers. “The people at Canon is great to work with because they listen to photographers. It’s their attention to detail and the pace of innovation that makes EOS the system of choice,” explained Stephen Munday, Director of Operations – Editorial, Getty Images.

Exceptional image quality

Canon’s dual “DIGIC III” processors deliver unprecedented levels of speed, responsiveness and image quality. Ready to shoot within 0.2 seconds of power on, the EOS-1D Mark III can capture and process over 100 Megapixels of image data per second, rapidly clearing the image buffer to allow up to 110 frames in one burst. Images are processed at 14 bits for a total colour depth of up to 16,384 tones per pixel, compared to 4,096 tones from 12 bit images.

The third generation CMOS sensor incorporates a new pixel design that works together with on-chip noise reduction circuitry to ensure high image quality at ISO 3200. The option to expand to H:6400 will benefit professionals working in news and sports locations where the use of flash is not permitted or desired.

Greater precision, more control

Canon has redesigned its auto focus system to include 19 cross-type sensors with sensitivity up to f/2.8, spread out across the AF area to better accommodate off-centre subjects. An additional 26 AF assist points are used to aid AF tracking for improved accuracy.

Responding to professional photographer requests, a dedicated AF button on the back of the camera allows users to instantly switch auto focus on or off while keeping their eye on the viewfinder. The viewfinder is now brighter and offers a wider angle of view. The camera’s new 63-zone metering system gives photographers greater level of control over exposure.

New LCD with Live View

The bright 3.0” LCD monitor provides 230K pixels resolution for precise framing and reviewing of shots. New to EOS, Live View mode enables photographers to frame without having to look through the viewfinder – particularly useful for shooting from awkward positions.

The menu system on the EOS-1D Mark III has been completely redesigned to take advantage of the LCD size – menus are easier to read and use. A choice of 57 custom functions gives photographers more options for customising camera settings to their daily working requirements. A new My Menu option allows photographers to store frequently used settings on a separate menu for faster access. Settings for new accessories such as the Speedlite 580EX II and Wireless File Transmitter WFT-E2 – also released today – can be controlled directly from the LCD.

Total reliability

The EOS-1D Mark III incorporates a range of practical enhancements for the working photographer. Shutter durability has been increased by 50% to 300,000 cycles. The body is protected by a magnesium alloy casing with dust and moisture resistant seals. The EOS Integrated Cleaning System provides further reliability by reducing sensor dust, minimising the need for manual cleaning on assignment. To avoid corruption of captured images, a warning appears on the LCD and an alarm sounds if the memory card door is opened while images are still being written. Interfaces include video out (for display in both NTSC and PAL formats) and USB 2.0.

Compatibility and accessories

Canon is marking today’s launch with the release of several additions to the professional EOS system:

EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM – A fast, ultra wide-angle zoom lens delivering exceptional image quality throughout the aperture range.
Speedlite 580EX II – An update of the Speedlite 580EX that offers weather resistance when attached to the EOS-1D Mark III.
Wireless File Transmitter WFT-E2 – Smaller, lighter and more versatile than its predecessor, the WFT-E2 speeds up workflows by allowing photographers to transmit images wirelessly during the shoot.
Original Data Security Kit OSK-E3 – Verifies the authenticity of images taken with the camera and supports image encryption for additional security.
Software

The EOS-1D Mark III is supplied with a comprehensive software suite to help the photographer’s workflow. This includes Digital Photo Professional (DPP), a powerful RAW converter that provides complete RAW image processing control.

DPP integrates with cameras features such as the Dust Delete Data and Picture Style. The camera also comes with EOS Utility, ImageBrowser/Zoom Browser and Photostitch.




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Canon 1D Mark IIIn or IV Rumors
Written by Eric on November 13th, 2007 | 3 Comments

With the recent hoopla over Nikon’s new D3 and with the Canon 1D Mark III autofocusing issues, it shouldn’t come as a huge surprise that Canon shooters are calling for an all-out replacement of the camera with a new iteration of the camera. Well, the rumors weren’t too far behind. That’s right, rumors of a 1D Mark IV or Mark IIIn have started to rear their ugly head. Here’s some of the rumored specs floating around the web:

* Same form factor as current 1D series
* Full Frame 16MP sensor (no more 1.3x crop cameras)
* ISO 100 to 6400 (expandable to 50 and 12800)
* Live View with contrast detection AF and HD Video capture (It is rumored that this will revolutionize photo journalism and meet growing requirement for web news video and cross media feeds).
* Capable of capturing stills from HD Video (but only at 2MP resolution)
* 1.3x crop mode with viewfinder masking and reduced size RAW (10MP) with significantly improved buffer for cropped RAW images

1600 萬像素 CMOS
• ISO 50-26500
• sRAW1 檔的影像細微部份比 1D Mark III 更好
• 在 ISO 3200/6400/12800 時更優良的減訊表現
• 在拍攝反應上，比起 1D Mark III 有輕微提升
• 處於低光度環境時，AF 自動對焦有著更佳的表現
• 提供有 Liveview 功能
• 提供與 5D Mark II 相同的高清拍片功能
• 與 5D Mark II 相同的 LCD 屏幕
• 更佳的手柄設計

Possible .. and most likely .. the end of the year ..  

However .. what can Canon offer on 1DIV ??

I guess ..  mostly likely they will do movie .. however, for 1D series users, who cares movie? ( I won't, why am I taking such a big body for movie? )

They will make a 15MP sensor la...  as IDII --> 8.5MP, almost same as 20D/30D   then 1DIII  10.5MP close to 40D ..   

Now ..  50D, 500D .. both 15MP .. so 1D4, will be in that area .. however, do we need 15MP on a 1DIV ?   NO ..  lol

Better LCD for sure, but I am super happy with 1DIII LCD already ..  but they will offer better one for sure, may be 3.3-3.5 inch? and 900K plus too...  

And most likely slightly faster FPS speed ..  like 11fps?  ( but again, 10fps, 11fps, 12fps, who cares? )

Just interesting to see if Canon will keep the "interesting"  1.3x sensor ....   ( I dont mind it, but when Sony, Nikon are doing FF nowaday on MID price range DSLR ..  for a $35K body, Canon "should" make a FF sensor for it ...

Um .. so far, at least to me, I dont hv anything I want to change (upgrade) in the 1DIII .. ;P

给我装爷，你要折寿的。20年了，你还这水平。弱智啊。悲哀啊。

什么数据？其实现在大马四反倒没有小马四有悬念

是啊。pconline连参数都很详细

蛮奇怪的，1ds3可是比1d3晚了近半年，难道4代反而是1ds先来？！

今天看到zol和pconline都有1ds mark4了。看了1d4也要来了

淡定，淡定

还是用好我的无敌兔吧！

这是哪个文盲软件翻译的啊，太强大了。

大泄露！佳能EOS 1D Mark IV数码单反相机规格即将发布


发布人： 发布时间：2009年6月23日

    EOS-1D 系列数码单反相机一直是佳能公司的旗舰产品系列，以其强大的性能，深受专业摄影记者以及业余摄影爱好者的喜爱。今天，箭扣从国外著名摄影网站得知了目前泄露的一些关于佳能公司EOS-1D Mark IV数码单反相机的消息，消息中包括了佳能EOS-1D Mark IV数码单反相机大量的规格信息。虽然目前我们还不清楚这些消息是否可靠，但如果这些规格信息都是真实的话，相信将会有很多佳能单反相机的Fans望穿秋水的等待这款单反相机上市。

    配置信息的泄露者可能是佳能EOS-1D Mark IV数码单反相机的测试人员，其泄露出的佳能EOS-1D Mark IV规格主要包括：ff 1600万像素传感器；支持800万像素的sRAW1格式的照片拍摄；拥有从50到26500的ISO范围；拥有高于EOS-1D Mark III拍摄速度的“闪电拍摄模式”以及超高速的自动对焦功能。

    佳能EOS-1D Mark IV相机泄露出的其它方面特点还包括：3英寸的LCD显示屏、视频拍摄模式和符合人体工学的按键设计及操作。之前就有消息称佳能公司即将在今年的8月发布最新的旗舰数码单反相机EOS-1D Mark IV，如果这些规格真的出自相机测试人员之口，那么估计即将发布的佳能EOS-1D Mark IV数码单反相机的实际配置，将会与上述配置相差不大。

    目前这款佳能EOS-1D Mark IV数码单反相机的发售日期及发售价格暂时还不清楚，请随时关注箭扣新闻。

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Canon 1D Mark IIIn or IV Rumors佳能1D相同马克IIIn或四传闻
Written by Eric on November 13th, 2007 | 6 Comments 作者埃里克关于2007年11月13号| 6评论

With the recent hoopla over Nikon's new D3 and with the Canon 1D Mark III autofocusing issues , it shouldn't come as a huge surprise that Canon shooters are calling for an all-out replacement of the camera with a new iteration of the camera.随着最近喧闹了尼康新的维生素D3和佳能1D Mark III的自动对焦问题 ，它不应该是一个巨大的惊喜，佳能射击要求全面更换了新的相机迭代的相机。 Well, the rumors weren't too far behind.同时，传言不太远远抛在后面。 That's right, rumors of a 1D Mark IV or Mark IIIn have started to rear their ugly head.是的，传言的一维第四或标记IIIn开始后他们抬头。 Here's some of the rumored specs floating around the web:以下是一些传闻规格浮动的网址：

Same form factor as current 1D series同样的形式因素，目前的维系列
Full Frame 16MP sensor (no more 1.3x crop cameras)全帧16MP传感器（没有1.3x作物相机）
ISO 100 to 6400 (expandable to 50 and 12800)相当于ISO 100至6400 （可扩展到50个和12800 ）
Live View with contrast detection AF and HD Video capture (It is rumored that this will revolutionize photo journalism and meet growing requirement for web news video and cross media feeds).生活观的对比检测自动对焦和高清视频捕捉（据说，这将带来革命性的照片新闻和满足不断增长的要求，网络新闻录像和跨媒体供稿） 。
Capable of capturing stills from HD Video (but only at 2MP resolution)能拍摄剧照由高清视频（但只能在2MP决议）
1.3x crop mode with viewfinder masking and reduced size RAW (10MP) with significantly improved buffer for cropped RAW images 1.3x作物模式观景器遮蔽和缩小规模的RAW （ 10MP ）的显着改善缓冲剪裁RAW图像
10 fps 10帧
Time will tell, but this could be out by Fall 2008.时间会证明一切，但是这可能是由2008年秋季。 Photokina anyone?的Photokina人？

As always, I'll keep you posted.一如往常，我将让你张贴。

UPDATES更新

2/22/09: More rumors of a 16MP sensor, no dates yet. Read more . 2/22/09 ：更多谣言的16MP传感器，但没有日期。 阅读更多 。

2/10/09: 1D Mark III replacement will not appear at PMA 2009. Read more . 2/10/09 ： 1D Mark III的更换将不会出现在物业2009年。 ※※※※ 。

2/2/09: Rumors of PMA 2009 release. Read more . 2/2/09 ：传言物业2009年释放。 阅读更多 。

5/1/08: Rumored June announcement along with the Canon 5D Mark II. Read more . 5/1/08 ：传闻6月宣布与佳能5马克二。 阅读更多 。

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6 Responses to “Canon 1D Mark IIIn or IV Rumors” 6回应“佳能1D相同马克IIIn或四传闻”
Fotograf Fotograf
March 19th, 2008 at 4:46 am 2008年3月19号在上午04时46分
That sounds really nice.这听起来真不错。

tickles tickles
June 15th, 2008 at 2:52 pm 2008年6月15号在下午2时52分
16mp full frame is too much. 16mp全帧太多。 give me 12 full frame and that is the perfect sports camera right dur.给我12全画面，那就是完美的体育相机权利杜尔。

PBF Photography PBF摄影
July 17th, 2008 at 10:29 pm 2008年7月17号在下午10时29分
Oh please, there's no way Canon is releasing a FF 1D MkIII-N.噢，请，就没有办法佳能发布了法郎维MkIII氮。 I can see improving the focusing to bring it up to par with the 1Ds Mk III and adding in UDMA but is that worth replacing a camera they released last year?我可以看到改善重点，使之达到标准的1Ds马可福音三和补充，但在的UDMA是值得更换相机，他们去年公布的？ What I'd like to see is the high-res screen that Nikon is now using.我想看到的是高清晰度屏幕，尼康目前正在使用。 And seriously, HD Video?并认真，高清视频？ Look at the XL series video cameras, they have f/1.6 lenses.看看仪系列摄像机，他们f/1.6镜头。

Knuckles 手指
September 20th, 2008 at 1:56 pm 08年9月20号在下午1点56
Is there any more banter on the 1d mark 111 n…..是否有更多的戏谑的1马克111 ñ ... .. its just that Canon now have the 5d 11 selling at the same price as a body only Mark 111…….它只是佳能现在有11个销售点在相同的价格作为一个机构只有111马克... ... 。 now that to me just ain't normal canon thinkin!现在，我刚才是不正常佳能thinkin ！

David Seelig 大卫西利格
February 23rd, 2009 at 11:53 am 2009年2月23日在上午11点53
12 to 16 mp fine but I like the 1.26 crop as I shoot profootball and it means I do not need a 600mm lens. 12日至16日手机罚款，但我喜欢1月26日作物为我拍profootball和这意味着我不需要六零零毫米镜头。 Maybe they could do nikons crop trick which would be fine but I doubt they would do that,也许他们可以做nikons作物把戏这将是罚款，但我怀疑他们会做到这一点，

Michael 迈克尔
June 17th, 2009 at 3:28 pm 2009年6月17号在下午3时28
Whatever spec arrives I am sure it will be very good but please Canon do not let a new camera down by including a tiltable screen that is just waiting to be snapped off !无论规格到达我相信这将是非常好的，但请不要让佳能新的相机所包括倾屏幕，只是等待被终结了！

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桦韧分享的日志：传说：佳能EOS-1D Mark4的数据　
桦韧 发表于 2009-5-13 23:19:22
消息来源：海外佳能论坛Canon Rumors

◆全幅
◆Dual DIGIC处理系统
◆10张/秒
◆后背3.0液晶显示屏
◆GPS全球定位系统
◆内置Wi-Fi无线传送
等

看来很多色友还是更喜欢FF的小马四的啊。

呵呵，YY一下，如果佳能执意发布个xx像素的APS-H的小马四也行，前提条件是具备以下条件的多数或全部：
1、具备眼控功能
2、高ISO超越D3
3、连拍大于11张每秒，或者是江湖谣传的“闪电拍摄模式”
4、更强的对焦系统及对焦速度
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只有这样才有可能夺回失去的城池。但就怕到时候耐克又后发制人，所以现在佳能现在左

右为难啊，如果不采用APS-H就意味着1D系列就没有大马小马之分了，采用呢，又怕市场

反应差带来的市场份额丢失及耐克的后发制人。佳能现在在小马四的问题上是格外的慎重

抛开像素而言，大马三机身性能还不如小马三。最要命的是晚推出半年多，居然小马三AF系统和反光板问题一点也没有修正。

实事求是的说 没看懂

经济危机，佳能破产了。小马四胎死腹中。

1ds3 VS D3？
D3能完胜？？？
没搞错吧，D3完胜1D3还差不多。

可见哥们只是试用而已。。。
同时用过d3和1ds3，1ds3/1D3唯一的亮点也就是全十字形对焦点了，室内抓拍人像比d3强，取景器更亮一点，长时间曝光降噪打开也能连续拍摄。
其他所有项目几乎d3完胜。

佳能应该不会拿1系产品当试验田吧

小马四会不会采用背照式COMS来提高高感？

30d
凑合好几年了。用85L就跑焦厉害。郁闷

用过1D mark 2 和 玩过朋友的1D mark 3, 也用过300D,最后出掉佳能，进了尼康的D2H ，在商店试用过2个小时左右的D3， 虽然没有你用的时间长，但就凭你试过D3,D3x就说太烂未免太过不公平。个人也觉得1D系列不咋地，但也不会像你一个劲儿说别人烂。

你用过吗，用完再说，睁眼说瞎话，对设备了解多少，我用了快20年，泥坑很烂怎么也亮不了，业余就是业余。

烂不烂不是你说了算的，消费者的眼睛都是雪亮的。

7月快到了，怎么还没风声

嗯嗯
丫不出全副 咱不买不行 现在的机器又不是不能用了 D4要是好到了天上 妈的出佳为尼 1.3X?省省八 马上建国60周年了谁还用残废货啊……

是这样的：

尼康背地里给佳能一笔钱，尼康老总向佳能老总跪拜磕头舔脚，佳能只好给尼康个面子，否则尼康没法混了。