谁有布郎测光表 broncolor fcm 2说明书?
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[42 楼] helemen [泡菜]
12-2-6 13:56
probe 测光棒
[41 楼] helemen [泡菜]
12-2-6 13:53
第四页,直接看吧
[40 楼] helemen [泡菜]
12-2-6 13:51
第三页:原来mean 中的contr 指的是“contrast”应该是对比度。
multi 意思是 multiflash,意思是多次闪灯。
power 的确是控制闪灯输出功率。
[39 楼] helemen [泡菜]
12-2-6 13:45
第二页:基本操作,和偶摸索的还比较一致,终于搞明白了analyse指的是环境光和闪灯的分析功能。
[38 楼] helemen [泡菜]
12-2-6 13:42
pot 请看短消息。有关支架的问题,偶那点狗屎英文要说明书没问题,买东西还有联系沟通起来可能够呛,给你美国代理商的电邮 [email protected] 您直接联系一下或让美国的朋友帮忙联系吧。fcc的说明书偶再试试。
fcm /2 说明书我直接贴出来给大家参考吧。先上图,
老外也省,连机器的外观按键说明都省了,直接就是上说明
[37 楼] pot [泡菜]
12-2-6 12:20
helemen PM下我,把你邮件地址给我。我还不够※※坛短信的标准。。。。
FCC 的说明书能搞到吗?另外那个支架美国代理商那边有货吗?我可以美国收货。
晚上回家要好好研究下FCM了
[36 楼] helemen [泡菜]
12-2-6 10:57

好消息!厂家的美国代理商回复了pdf文档。这回有福啦。pot兄把电邮给偶好发一份给你。需要的兄弟也告知,偶会一一回复。
[35 楼] helemen [泡菜]
12-2-6 09:15
接着讨论fcm的使用方法:
琢磨了几天,查了一些参考的资料,包括ev值计算,minolta,gossen,pentax等其他测光表的使用,ambi 环境光 模式的测光操作方法总结如下(闪灯的操作还办法没有琢磨):

1、入射测光,按on键开电源,表会点亮液晶全部笔画,应该是开机初始化。这是会显示上次关机(感觉关机是自动的,因为找不到关机键)时没有清除的测光结果,否则显示"F00",按iso键配合+-设定iso,屏幕左侧显示“100 ISO”,大概两秒后屏幕左边的会恢复显示“:15”(表示快门1/15,若长时间曝光1秒则显示为“1 s”),然后手持机器放在拍摄物体测光处,测光头指向镜头方向,这时按下机器左侧的测光(下)键,测光成功时屏幕左侧的数值则显示“F 8.01”即光圈值为8.01,第二行“ambi”表示环境光,超出测光范围或无法按设置参数组合时屏幕中部会显示“over”或“under”,这时按+-键修改曝光时间屏幕会提示不同的参数组合,超出正常组合的同样提示“over”“under”。

2、mean 平均值测量:偶折腾到昨晚大概搞清楚啦,mean在英文中有平均值的意思,刚开始老不明白mean“意味”?

先按步骤一测光,成功后选择一组合如“F 5.6  1/8”,按mean,屏幕左上角会显示一个“.”,应该表示记忆成功。
选另一测光点测光,这时显示“F 8.0  1/8”,按下mean,屏幕左上角会显示为“..”,表示两点测光点平均值,屏幕的显示组合变为:“F 5.65  1/8”,屏幕左上显示“contr 1.0”,即表示平均测光值的组合为“F 5.65 1/8”,查阅ev值表后推断“contr 1.0”应表示两个测光点的ev差值为     EV 9(F8.0 1/8)-EV 8(F5.6 1/8)=EV 1  。
完成后按清除键或mean键,屏幕恢复显示最后一次测光结果,清除原记忆。
但没搞清楚的是有时屏幕还提示“ambi+flash”闪烁,应该提示需要补光?但ev差值也只有1左右。

EV 值表

            曝光时间                                         
    光圈       f/1  f/1.4  f/2  f/2.8  f/4  f/5.6  f/8  f/11  f/16  f/22  f/32  f/45  f/64
                  1 s   0    1      2    3      4    5      6       7     8       9     10    11    12
               1/2 s   1    2      3    4      5    6      7       8     9       10    11    12    13
               1/4 s   2    3      4    5      6    7      8       9     10     11    12    13    14
               1/8 s   3    4      5    6      7    8      9       10    11    12    13    14    15
             1/15 s   4    5      6    7      8    9      10      11    12    13    14    15    16
             1/30 s   5    6      7    8      9    10     11     12    13    14    15    16    17
             1/60 s   6    7      8    9      10   11     12    13    14    15    16    17    18
           1/125 s   7    8      9    10     11   12     13    14    15    16    17    18    19
           1/250 s   8    9      10   11     12   13     14   15    16    17    18    19    20
           1/500 s   9    10    11   12     13   14     15   16    17    18    19    20    21
         1/1000 s   10   11    12   13     14   15     16   17    18    19    20    21    22                                             
         1/2000 s   11   12    13   14     15   16     17   18    19    20    21    22    23
         1/4000 s   12   13    14   15     16   17     18   19    20    21    22    23    24
[34 楼] pot [泡菜]
12-2-5 22:24
下面这台真是全副武装了。。。。眼馋,不过不对我胃口。严格要求全手动,全自己控制,一堆拨钮的感觉才爽。要不是有人送这个FCM给我,肯定上一个高森的LUNA PRO SBC加全套组件,那个才是属于我的最终归宿。不过现在这个FCM如果能加到FCC也是一套能够功德圆满的东西,不过后面的布朗灯恐怕真要伤筋动骨了。成本可能就要比高森翻好几倍了。

关于架子的问题,本来想用个曼富图的万用夹,可是怕夹伤了SINAR延长轨,恐怕暂时没办法了,只能看看能不能搞到其他的SINAR附件然后用魔术贴来搞定了。或者做个牛皮的类似手机套的东西,挂在导轨上。

如果老兄收到FCM的说明书也请给我发一份,如果能要到FCC的说明更好,那个夹子应该也有编号,如果能问到哪里有卖的就好了。clampattachment for FCM 2 on large format cameras

我就不发邮件给布朗那边了,省的一堆人都问同样的问题。
[33 楼] helemen [泡菜]
12-2-5 18:51
出去一天,刚回家。惦记着说明书,赶紧上坛子。讨论的进度让人高兴。
先谢过 pot 和 pierre506 两位大虾。
尤其是pierre506 把土文翻了,其实偶也发现了这个pdf文档,但全是乱码只好放弃。现在好了。先消化消化。

pot兄:
1、棒子上标的是fcm,基本肯定是原配的。那机器应该是fcm没错啦!从资料上看的确fcm和fcm2几乎没有区别。
2、架子的问题建议你可以找个夹具夹到脚架的腿上,或夹到导轨上,因为连接线长度为1米,应该够长;
详见下图中所示(网上找到的示意用,若有侵犯版权请告知)
3、偶的SINAR的确是A,或称为wolf,买她是因为sinar里最轻便和价格便宜近人
4、装右边时,请看4楼,测光键在表的左边,若表装低了,按测光键就很别扭。和auto shutter快门干涉是因为
auto shutter 的光圈指示也在右侧。
[32 楼] pot [泡菜]
12-2-5 13:25
感谢pierre506,有英文的翻译最好了,土文实在是没办法看
[31 楼] pot [泡菜]
12-2-5 13:24
FCM表用的是SBC测光,应该是最高级的东西了,这个在高森最高级的表上才会用。

对比下FCM和FCM2的参数

FCM:

闪光光圈范围:f 1 - F180 9/10
胶片感光度范围:ISO 3/6° - ISO 4000/37°
快门速度范围:30秒 - 1/500秒 - AMBI
1/8秒 - 1/500秒 - AMBI +闪存
范围:EV 0-22.9 - ISO 100/21°
重复性:优于0.1的EV

FCM2:
闪光光圈范围: 1.0 to f: 90 9/10 with 100 ISO
连续范围: EV 0 to EV 22.9 with 100 ISO
快门速度范围:混合光1/500 s to 1/8 s
连续光1/500 s to 30 s
闪光测量值范围 f: 1.0 to f: 180 9/10 in 1/10 stop steps
ISO范围:3 to 4000 ISO

没看出区别来
[30 楼] pierre506 [泡菜]
12-2-5 13:23
The Broncolor FCM can be more than this: "POWER" button next to the "+" and "-" keys to adjust the light output Broncolor flash units. Megvilágításméréskor so the total light output is simply set at the optimal light aperture into account. The power switch is controlled by a separate flash units, but all flash simultaneously raises or lowers the light. The work, however, it also greatly accelerates.

The Real Old-Timers to be not only the camera, but the exposure meter is authentic. So look for the older, but precise instruments!


Turkish George

photographer
[29 楼] pierre506 [泡菜]
12-2-5 13:21
Similarly useful for the 'ANALYSE' function. The best instruments today that both print automatically, but the FCM is designed to function within white raven. When measured with flash and continuous light, you need to do than to press the 'ANALYSE' button. Then the "AMBI" sign and we announced the aperture of the continuous exposure of correct light fall. To the right and examine the light we see the difference in value of the flash light. If you press again the "ANALYSE" button, the "flash" is displayed, the corresponding correct aperture and the light value measured deviation from the continuous light. The lens cover is written, of course, not set in, because they are just because the studio photographers of the diaphragm is always counting scale - the scale value instead of light. It is therefore a simple convenience function. An important feature of this mode, the detail of each image is analyzed by light rain, so we know exactly how much to expect in the shadow of the Fill-flash, flash setting, or even interfere with how the lights flash into the exposed image.
[28 楼] pierre506 [泡菜]
12-2-5 13:19
The instrument is useful for measuring the contrast function, which is a professional photo we use almost every day. This assures us that the shadows and the highlights will be redrawn. The first step is to be found on the instrument using the lightest and darkest picture details. Since the incident light metering work, this is easy and quickly. The lights can be measured close to the most light, distant, or hidden in the least. The measured data between the two most different from the selectbox is measured again. Reset the meter and measure one of them. Then press the "MEAN" button. A small dot will light up the screen. Then measure the other one and again press the "MEAN" button. Ujjabb dot appears on the display and the "mean" is displayed. This indicates to us that the displayed aperture formed through averaging. The FCM has a value of brightness, contrast can also print the upper right corner. Diaanyagtól, eg depending on the CCD. 3.8-5.2 EV-open, we can afford, so the photographer is familiar with recording materials.
[27 楼] pierre506 [泡菜]
12-2-5 13:18
The work is part of professionalism, not to increase the cable clutter. The FCM has been incorporated into such a Broncolor flash for the infra-release as well. This IR release of both central-and the device works with fejgenerátoros Bron. The Broncolor FCM display during the four pieces IR-LED flash to communicate with the instrument. FCM for Type 2 to 4 IR LEDs were both away, so will work better.


Film Speed ​​Range: ISO 3/6 ° - ISO 4000/37 °

Shutter speed range: 30 s - 1/500 s - AMBI

1/8 s - 1/500 s - AMBI + Flash

Aperture Range: F 1 - F180 9/10

Range: EV 0-22.9 - ISO 100/21 °

Repeatability: better than 0.1 EV

Power Source: 9V E-Block batteries


Measurement, the left rocker switch at the bottom to push the delete data measured at the top. The switch to "ON" button of the device turns itself off. The film speed is set to "ISO" after pressing the "+" and "-" buttons. The shutter button any time to say the same.
[26 楼] pierre506 [泡菜]
12-2-5 13:17
The two silicon metering cell (SBC) is working. One small block félgömbdiffúzor, this cell. The diffuser is small, because of the high sensitivity in the direction of the FCM has (approximately 25 °). The other cell detects that when a sudden increase in the amount of light on the instrument so you always know whether there was vakuvillanás. This is a great simplification of Broncolor: no mode switch! The instrument can, whether there was a flash, even launched its own sync cable, or manually flashed to blind them to the test button is pressed within a few seconds. The measured fényrekesznél who writes all of the FCM, "AMBI + flash", if it was flash, "AMBI" only if continuous light is detected. Several also summarized flash when "multi" mode switch devices. In this case, the flash device counts the number of professions.

As an additional external sensor, or otherwise: probe can be connected to it. There is little incident light measuring mikroreceptor félgömbdiffúzorral installed. More important, however, the studio photographers is that the matte screen behind síkfilmes machine can measure a different type of micro-receptors. This sensor is mounted on the arm mérőkazettában into the film plane. The advantage is that all filter kihuzatfaktort and automatically takes into account that the measurement method. Each photo is at the macro level it is the only viable option. If you are working on measurement contrast, the individual image points are continuous and flash rates also kimérhetjük. The equipment can not be switched from the probe used. The probe bedugásával the switch immediately. In this case, reset the device works as faedometer, ie the film plane of measurement tells you how many stops in scope to the point that the correct exposure.
[25 楼] pierre506 [泡菜]
12-2-5 13:15
The FCM and extended méréshatárú your way to FCM2's very versatile and simplified management logical device. Eklektikáját of being exactly in the fact that the gods impressively simple treatment design was definitely spoiled, and yet it is important for a photographer, or just how ergonomic beauty is what you are working. Because we are visual specialists! More eclectic features to manage the instrument is so simple that even the U.S. and Western photographers look desperate aggressiveness instructions to the FCM. There is, of course, money is not like one of them ... But it would not pay, just to see what it writes off the instrument!? After all, is a professional photographer, that is well trained. This rule is no excuse for a scientific calculator logaritmusfüggvényét also had to call for help. So here is the "two-page" manual:
[24 楼] pierre506 [泡菜]
12-2-5 13:13
Broncolor FCM
The classic one of the professional studios. Accurate, rugged, robust, and external sensor can be mounted. Accurate, rugged, robust and well equipped with an external sensor. Therefore, it is still a high price for this eclectic instrumentation that has not produced a classic instrument manufacturer. Still less is it so high it Arat EPPE eclectic instrumentation, instrument manufacturer CEG produced classically by moisture. This is just a half-truth, which at first sight, be adopted. This is just a half-truth, a vision set by Elson. Bron intrinsic value of the instruments, namely the electronics equipment manufacturer praises Gossen. Bron intrinsic value of the instruments, that is, the electronics company Gossen praises instrument manufacturer. The old, old company based in Bron specifications prepared by the FCM and FCC jait instrumentation sensors and electronics. The pop-reggae, old Bron CEG FCC jait sensor specifications and instrumentation and electronics made ​​of FCM at hand. The external sensors and have been so successful that the next Broncolor FCM Flashmeter Minolta 's are to be manufactured. The external sensors have been successful and so well that the additional Broncolor FCM-Flashmeter to be manufactured under the Minolta them. Type the Minolta Flashmeter III and IV there is one type. Flashmeter Minolta Type III, IV, and this type of device.
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[23 楼] pot [泡菜]
12-2-5 12:18
http://www.fotosuli.hu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=60:broncolor-fcm&catid=47:zonarendszer&Itemid=118
这一篇土耳其摄影师的文章应该就能当说明书了,但是这个土文我实在是搞不定。
[22 楼] pot [泡菜]
12-2-5 11:50
clampattachment for FCM 2 on large format cameras

应该是那个托架,要是能订到就爽了
[21 楼] pot [泡菜]
12-2-5 11:47
Data sheet
1
Product designation
Flashmeter FCM 2 Article no. 36.316.00
Product description
The broncolor FCM 2 is a time-integrating exposure meter for flash and continuous
light measurement and for measuring a combination of both light sources. Both
values can be stored separately and displayed separately or accumulatively. Multiple
flash measurement is possible even if the individual flashes are of varying intensity.
The flash is triggered via sync cable or integrated 2-channel transmitter. The flash
power of broncolor Grafit/Grafit A Pulso/Pulso A, Opus/Opus A power packs can be
controlled with the flashmeter FCM 2 by infrared pulses in 1/10, 1/3 or 1/1 stop steps.
A measuring probe can be connected to the units, allowing a TTL measurement in
the focal plane. Single- or multiple point contrast measurement can also be made.
The unit is easy to operate, functional and designed for studio needs.
Scope of delivery
Flashmeter FCM 2, shoulder strap, bag, operating instructions
Probe for FCM 2, adapter to Sinar Booster and battery 9 V must be ordered
separately
Technical data
Measuring range
flash and mixed light f: 1.0 to f: 90 9/10 with 100 ISO
continuous light EV 0 to EV 22.9 with 100 ISO
Measuring time
flash and mixed light 1/500 s to 1/8 s
continuous light 1/500 s to 30 s
Measured value display f: 1.0 to f: 180 9/10 in 1/10 stop
steps
Display field liquid crystal display
Film sensitivity 3 to 4000 ISO
Synchronization 2-channel infrared signal, sync
cable, starter photocell
Dimensions 145 x 80 x 36 mm
Weight 200 g
Data sheet
2
Compatibility
Power packs Grafit 2, 4, A2, A4, A2 RFS, A4 RFS, A8 RFS,
A2 plus, A4 plus
Topas A2, A4, A8
Nano 2, Mobil
Primo, Primo A, Primo A fashion, Primo 4
Pulso 2, A2, 4, A4, 8,
Opus 2, A2, 4, A4, A8
Minipuls C*
* The Minipuls C units can only be triggered with the FCM 2 from (year of production
1/95) over the additional channel "9".
Accessories
Measuring probe for the FCM 2 art. no. 36.323.00, measuring cassette 4x5", clamp
attachment for FCM 2 on large format cameras.
Special features
Infrared release and operation of broncolor power packs, possibility for the user to
set a correction (+/- f-stop) of the displayed reading.
Application
A unit that takes its special place in all areas of photography, particularly in
professional studio flash photography. Owing to separate measurement of flash light
and environmental light in one common procedure, extremely difficult light situations
can be brought under control. Advantages of this unit lie in its easy operation, in its
universal application as normal measuring unit for flash and continuous light and in
its possibility to work with the measuring probe. Since a measurement in the focal
plane is rejected by many photographers in view of the assumed complexity of the
measuring method, it pays to convince the photographer of the simplicity and
applicability of this method by a trial demonstration. The unit FCM 2 shows a
substantial increase of sensitivity, particularly with continuous light (up to 6.3 f-stops)
in comparison with FCM.
[20 楼] pot [泡菜]
12-2-5 11:26
根据我掌握的资料,FCM和FCM2的主要区别是在测光灵敏度上,FCM2的略高一点。主要可能存在的区别在FCM2测光棒的灵敏度更高,可能是蓝硅测光。
另外不确定的一点是对于布朗家灯的控制似乎更完备一点。其实从使用上几乎没区别。(以上资料不能完全确认)
两者从外观上主要区别是在测光棒上标识不同,如果你的棒是原配的,表应该是FCM。
实在眼馋你的架子,能直接把表挂在后组上,我现在只能手持。找不到原装的那个架子。
ANALYSE  这个在外部光线OK的情况下,也就是机器同时测到外部背景光和闪光的时候,如果按ANALYSE  会依次显示总量,环境光的量,闪光的量。对于分析环境光的影响有用。
另外就是如果你使用另外一块闪光表(入射表),在不需要考虑皮腔因数的情况下,你可以用表做个对比。在光圈设置正确跟闪光量搭配正确的时候,表应该是显示0.0。如果显示-或+就是闪光值不正确,需要调整光圈或闪光量。我还没来得及仔细测试这个表的显示数值也就是它显示的EX值跟EV值之间的关系,如果有空我会专门测试下看看能否整理下这个之间的关系表,以备大家查询。为什么不测试反射18度中性灰表现,大家自己想吧。
网上有人说这个表显示数值混乱不准,估计还是没有搞清楚这个表的设计和应用思路。我也没有说明书,都是靠自己一点点摸索出来的。
对于MEAN的作用还是不清楚,应该是累加,也就是多次测光后的累加值。我很少用到,没有深究。
另外按MULTI在不接棒的时候能在右上角出现不同的显示,应该是CTR...这个还没摸清楚怎么回事。
红外接受器我估计应该是红外发射器,这个表是配布朗灯用的,主要是发闪光触发信号的,也可能是有收有发,这个对我意义不大,这辈子估计不会用布朗的灯了,买不起。
POWER要配合+-,应该是远程遥控灯的功率的,所以没作用是正常的。

对于你SINAR,我看似乎不是F,好像是A,导轨不一样,不知道是否正确。
另外就是你测光背到了后会发现在跟你现在安装位置类似的地方也有个安装孔,那个位置应该就是最爽的安装位置了。到时候拍个照片让我欣赏下。
如果可能要是有原厂说明书就最好了,不用像这样瞎猜,真的很累。
我这块表就是朋友实在搞不明白干脆送给我了。这东西如果会用在拍摄微距的时候绝对是超级利器。如果能再搞到FCC色温表,BRONCOLOR的精华就全都OK了。
配合SINAR的测光背和125前组滤镜系统和镜后滤镜系统棚拍估计真的是无敌了,高森和美能达的系统其实也不错,但是考虑到跟布朗的灯联动,这个系统将会是在工作室的终极配置。这辈子应该是够用了。
另外你说跟sinar auto shutter有干涉,拍个照片看看。我没有AUTO SHUTTER,而且是用老款的P,想看看究竟有什么问题。

本帖最后由 pot 于 2012-2-5 11:35 编辑

[19 楼] pierre506 [泡菜]
12-2-5 10:48
Nice~

适合广告摄影和棚拍~
[18 楼] helemen [泡菜]
12-2-5 09:31
这时可把测光表侧面的槽位对准安装架的卡口滑入,为方便拍摄,是手持机器拍的示意图。
[17 楼] helemen [泡菜]
12-2-5 09:27
装好锁定
[16 楼] helemen [泡菜]
12-2-5 09:25
如图所示
[15 楼] helemen [泡菜]
12-2-5 09:24
注意看后架侧面的安装槽,安装槽的上端有一扩大到空位,松开锁定即可插入,插入槽内后滑入下端然后锁定即可。
[14 楼] helemen [泡菜]
12-2-5 09:20
安装的关键是图中所示的安装架18锁定扳手对面的安装卡19
[13 楼] helemen [泡菜]
12-2-5 09:13
fcm 的安装架

18、 锁定扳手