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[1933 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-12 07:58
冰逸海潮 发表于 2012-5-12 07:53
之前发了。没人理。再发一次看看
我看了很长的帖子。。大家都再讨论黄斑修复和大画幅的因为高成本而用途的讨论。很是受益。
但是还没有机器。所以我想请问下。如果我需要一个最廉价。性价比最高的45机应该是什么呢。
价格大概在多少？不一定是格机，什么都好。在ebay购买需要注意什么呢？镜头这个实在不是很懂。
还是请各位前辈科普下。


关键在于你想用大幅来干啥，拍什么题材？没有万能的器材明白吗？搞清楚这个问题，我想在坐的各位自然会帮你的好吗？ 本帖最后由 亚瑟李 于 2012-5-12 08:05 编辑

[1932 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-12 07:54
Multiple image of young girl skipping rope.
Location: New York, NY, US
Date taken: 1941
Photographer: Gjon Mili
Size: 1280 x 827 pixels (17.8 x 11.5 inches)
Stroboscopic image of little girl walking & smiling at camera.
Location: New York, NY, US
Date taken: 1946
Photographer: Gjon Mili
Size: 1280 x 980 pixels (17.8 x 13.6 inches)
[1931 楼] 冰逸海潮 [泡菜]
12-5-12 07:53
之前发了。没人理。再发一次看看
我看了很长的帖子。。大家都再讨论黄斑修复和大画幅的因为高成本而用途的讨论。很是受益。
但是还没有机器。所以我想请问下。如果我需要一个最廉价。性价比最高的45机应该是什么呢。
价格大概在多少？不一定是格机，什么都好。在ebay购买需要注意什么呢？镜头这个实在不是很懂。
还是请各位前辈科普下。
[1930 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-12 07:43
High-speed camera photograph of five unident. young girls jumping.
Location: New York, NY, US
Date taken: 1941
Photographer: Gjon Mili
Size: 1280 x 893 pixels (17.8 x 12.4 inches)
High-speed photograph of five young girls jumping.
Location: New York, NY, US
Date taken: 1941
Photographer: Gjon Mili
Size: 1280 x 814 pixels (17.8 x 11.3 inches)
[1929 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-12 07:39
不要以为大幅只擅长静态哈， 这位Gjon Mili先生就尤喜用大幅，在舞台灯光下抓拍定格舞蹈动作或是多灯频闪记录动作的连续动态，令人叹为观止。
Katherine Dunham-Negro Dancer
Dancer Katherine Dunham (C) wears Pacific island costume in Melanesian love-ritual dance w. other dancers during performance of show "Tropical Revue".
Location: New York, NY, US
Date taken: 1943
Photographer: Gjon Mili
Size: 996 x 1280 pixels (13.8 x 17.8 inches)
Katherine Dunham
Dancer Katherine Dunham dancing barefoot w. cigar in her mouth & birdcage balanced on her head as she performs in island costume w. others on stage during "Shore Exursion" dance.
Date taken: November 1948
Photographer: Gjon Mili
Size: 966 x 1280 pixels (13.4 x 17.8 inches)
[1928 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-12 07:26
Masked For Men'S Workj
Photogrpaher Dennis Stock holding camera to his face so that the lens looks like his right eye & viewfinder his left.
Location: US
Date taken: June 1951
Photographer: Andreas Feininger
Size: 931 x 1280 pixels (12.9 x 17.8 inches)
[1927 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-12 07:10
Future anti war activist Daniel Ellsberg as a young Marine Lieutenant.
Location: Quantico, VA, US
Date taken: July 15, 1954
Size: 1014 x 1280 pixels (14.1 x 17.8 inches)
[1926 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-12 02:18
谢谢yuvoice上片互动交流哈，不早了，咱们明天接续，晚安再会 ！
[1925 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-12 02:12
yuvoice 发表于 2012-5-11 23:21
4x5  半幅


大家看到没有--------半刀4X5片幅与6X12卷片背效果有何异同？我认为只会更好，这得益于45的厚片基之平整度，高于卷片的薄片基平整度的结果，当然，也有其他胶片制造工艺差异因素带来的区别，如果不是专为使用120卷而采用6X12卷片背来获得612宽幅视野效果，我认为我们完全可以向那0.5kg“一大砣”的玩意说再见哈。
[1924 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-12 01:54
yuvoice 发表于 2012-5-11 23:03
富士 W 210  f22


富士珑的描写力也不错嘛。
[1923 楼] yuvoice [泡菜]
12-5-11 23:21
亚瑟李 发表于 2012-4-16 06:19
要想玩612，其实还有更简洁的办法，那就是半刀4X5，用一块废豆腐刀裁去一半，每4X5片进行遮幅两次拍摄即可实现，当然结像不在镜头中心优质成像区，但由于大幅机镜头的像场大，实际使用效果不错，哈哈~~即可省掉那个笨重的612卷片背。只打算用120卷的除外，个见，4X5全幅拍摄更具魅力哈，optar 135 F4.7本身素质也不差，Ross Wide AngleXpres 5 inch f4老头黑白味道或许更好，可以玩一阵了，恭喜你加入4X5格机行列。


4x5  半幅
[1922 楼] yuvoice [泡菜]
12-5-11 23:04
亚瑟李 发表于 2012-4-13 21:53
特殊的镜头以及望远设计的镜有：

Name Focal Length Aperture Shutter

Graflex Tele-Optar 270mm f6.5 (Graflex-1000, 1/1000 shutter)

Graflex Tele-Optar 380mm (15") f/5.6 (barrel)

Graflex Tele-Optar 250mm (10") f/5.6 (barrel)

这个列表只是长焦镜头比较常用的一些(对于Graflex而言)，Tele望远设计的镜头一般视角很小，光圈也比较小，它的对焦，移轴和俯仰操作会比较难习惯．但是这种设计的镜头通常体积都比较小巧，重量也较轻，便于携带，最大的优点还在于它所需要的皮腔长度比普通设计的小．正因为如此，它才能让皮腔只有324mm的Speed Graphic使用上380mm的镜头．


富士 W210  f11 本帖最后由 yuvoice 于 2012-5-11 23:08 编辑

[1921 楼] yuvoice [泡菜]
12-5-11 23:03
亚瑟李 发表于 2012-4-13 21:53
特殊的镜头以及望远设计的镜有：

Name Focal Length Aperture Shutter

Graflex Tele-Optar 270mm f6.5 (Graflex-1000, 1/1000 shutter)

Graflex Tele-Optar 380mm (15") f/5.6 (barrel)

Graflex Tele-Optar 250mm (10") f/5.6 (barrel)

这个列表只是长焦镜头比较常用的一些(对于Graflex而言)，Tele望远设计的镜头一般视角很小，光圈也比较小，它的对焦，移轴和俯仰操作会比较难习惯．但是这种设计的镜头通常体积都比较小巧，重量也较轻，便于携带，最大的优点还在于它所需要的皮腔长度比普通设计的小．正因为如此，它才能让皮腔只有324mm的Speed Graphic使用上380mm的镜头．


富士 W 210  f22

本帖最后由 yuvoice 于 2012-5-11 23:07 编辑

[1920 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 21:52
Golfer Ben Hogan.
Date taken: March 1954
Photographer: Loomis Dean
Size: 920 x 1280 pixels (12.8 x 17.8 inches)
Size: 922 x 1280 pixels (12.8 x 17.8 inches)
[1919 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 21:45
新闻报道讲究点面结合，个见，人在环境中可视为“面”，人物特写则是整个报道系列片中画龙点睛之“点”！，大家切莫小看这些“大头”肖像哈，需引起足够的重视是盼！。
Women In Defense Industry
Blast furnace cleaner Bernice Daunora, part of the top gang at Carnegie-Illinois Steel Corp., wearing protective breathing apparatus fr. escaping gas fumes.
Location: Gary, IN, US
Date taken: 1943
Photographer: Margaret Bourke-White
Size: 966 x 1280 pixels (13.4 x 17.8 inches)
Welder working in the shipbuilding industry.
Location: Pascagoula, MS, US
Date taken: 1941
Photographer: George Strock
Size: 961 x 1280 pixels (13.3 x 17.8 inches)
[1918 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 21:31
Female welder at work in a steel mill, replacing men called to duty during World War II.
Location: Gary, IN, US
Date taken: 1942
Photographer: Margaret Bourke-White
Size: 935 x 1280 pixels (13.0 x 17.8 inches)
[1917 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 21:29
Women In Defense Industry
Female "burners" using acetylene torches to bevel armor plate for tanks at steel works.
Location: Gary, IN, US
Date taken: 1943
Photographer: Margaret Bourke-White
Size: 1280 x 967 pixels (17.8 x 13.4 inches)
Women In Defense Industry
African-Amer. worker Mrs. Rosalie Ivy using shovel to mix a special mud used to seal the casting hole through which molten iron flows from the blast furnace at steel mill.
Location: Gary, IN, US
Date taken: 1943
Photographer: Margaret Bourke-White
Size: 1280 x 896 pixels (17.8 x 12.4 inches)
Women At Work
Six helmeted female welders busy weldilng seams on a deck section of an aircraft carrier under construction at shipyard. Location: New York, NY, US
Date taken: August 1943
Photographer: Margaret Bourke-White
Size: 1280 x 970 pixels (17.8 x 13.5 inches)
[1916 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 21:18
那么在以人为主的新闻报道中，格机的强悍被彰显无遗------写实环境人物的表现力强大！。
Segregation
African Americans dancing to jukebox music in "Harlem Cafe," Greenville, South Carolina.
Location: Greenville, SC, US
Date taken: 1956
Photographer: Margaret Bourke-White
Size: 1280 x 876 pixels (17.8 x 12.2 inches)
Turkish Army
Turkish soldiers manning a machine gun during training maneuvers.
Location: Turkey
Date taken: 1940
Photographer: Margaret Bourke-White
Size: 1280 x 927 pixels (17.8 x 12.9 inches)
[1915 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 21:11
Yosemite National Park.
Location: US
Date taken: December 1868
Photographer: Bernard Hoffman
Size: 1280 x 1045 pixels (17.8 x 14.5 inches)
[1914 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 21:08
Micro cameras resting in palm of hand.
Date taken: May 1949
Photographer: Andreas Feininger
Size: 1094 x 1280 pixels (15.2 x 17.8 inches)
Micro camera resting in palm of hand.
Date taken: May 1949
Photographer: Andreas Feininger
Size: 1280 x 1145 pixels (17.8 x 15.9 inches)
[1913 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 21:05
Micro cameras resting in palm of hand.
Date taken: May 1949
Photographer: Andreas Feininger
Size: 1094 x 1280 pixels (15.2 x 17.8 inches)
Micro camera resting in palm of hand.
Date taken: May 1949
Photographer: Andreas Feininger
Size: 1280 x 1145 pixels (17.8 x 15.9 inches)
[1912 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 20:52
A maid & cook set the table for breakfast in the living room of the "Little White House", one of the Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt's vacation residences.
Location: Warm Springs, GA, US
Date taken: November 1938
Photographer: Margaret Bourke-White
Size: 1280 x 985 pixels (17.8 x 13.7 inches)
Living room in the "Little White House" one of Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt's vacation residences.
Location: Warm Springs, GA, US
Date taken: November 1938
Photographer: Margaret Bourke-White
Size: 1280 x 970 pixels (17.8 x 13.5 inches)
[1911 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 20:45
用大画幅面积的底片从容记录环境，带来的好处是可读信息量的增大-----空间感，浮凸感，质感等表现力的强化。
Romania
Grand Central Hall of King Carol II 's Peles Palace where gala festivities & receptions are held, featuring corner spiral staircase leading to King's apartments & walls of carved black walnut on which 180 worked for 6 mos. to complete.
Location: Sinaia, Romania
Date taken: February 1940
Photographer: Margaret Bourke-White
Size: 954 x 1280 pixels (13.2 x 17.8 inches)
Romania
Bedroom of King Carol II in his Peles Palace.
Location: Sinaia, Romania
Date taken: February 1940
Photographer: Margaret Bourke-White
Size: 945 x 1280 pixels (13.1 x 17.8 inches)
[1910 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 19:46
休息片刻返来好吗？让大家酝酿一下，以便展开讨论好不好？嘿嘿~
[1909 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 19:43
之所以4X5大幅新闻机能够大行其道，这与当年的主流新闻媒体，追求高品质影像质量的思想导向密切相关的哈。
Cologne, Germany Bomb Damage
German civilian couple threading their way through the massive destruction from the city's bombing by the Allied Forces.
Location: Cologne, Germany
Date taken: April 1945
Photographer: Margaret Bourke-White
Size: 959 x 1280 pixels (13.3 x 17.8 inches)
[1908 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 19:30
像这幅景观，使用镜板透视矫正功能则是必须的。
Fort Peck Dam
Fort Peck Dam, in the Missouri River: image used on first LIFE Magazine cover, November 23, 1936.
Location: MT, US
Date taken: 1936
Photographer: Margaret Bourke-White
Size: 1105 x 1280 pixels (15.3 x 17.8 inches)
[1907 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 19:27
Picasso Drawing With Light
Artist Pablo Picasso "painting" with light at the Madoura Pottery.
Location: Vallauris, France
Date taken: 1949
Photographer: Gjon Mili
Size: 1026 x 1280 pixels (14.2 x 17.8 inches)
[1906 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 19:23
在强调旁轴联动对焦方式之“快”的同时，我们依然不可忽视传统估焦/超焦距快拍经验主义的存在哈。

Marlene Dietrich At Uso
Actress Marlene Dietrich surrounded by two sailors, a soldier & a Marine as new photographer Ray Howard hones in w. his Speed Graphic camera at U.S.O. in the Astor Hotel..
Location: New York, NY, US
Date taken: 1942
Photographer: Nat Farbman
Size: 1003 x 1280 pixels (13.9 x 17.8 inches)
Jubilant President Harry Truman walking down steps from airplane, as his proud daughter Margaret zeros in on him from open door with her Speed Graphic camera, upon his arrival after winning the Presidential election.
Location: Washington, DC, US
Date taken: November 1948
Photographer: Thomas D. Mcavoy
Size: 837 x 1280 pixels (11.6 x 17.8 inches)
本帖最后由 亚瑟李 于 2012-5-11 19:24 编辑

[1905 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 19:08
是一种为新闻记者量身定做的旁轴联动对焦+闪灯的大幅极限手持高影像品质抓拍机，所以它只提供了有限的镜板移轴矫正※※※※就不足为奇了。

With photographer shooting the scene, Mary Troja (C) taking notes while hotel guest Gretchen North (R), disc jockey, is having her picture taken.
Location: Beverly Hills, CA, US
Date taken: 1951
Photographer: Peter Stackpole
Size: 1280 x 1067 pixels (17.8 x 14.8 inches)
Truck loaded with camermen driving in front of car carrying Dwight D. Eisenhower during campaign parade.
Location: Houston, TX, US
Date taken: October 1952
Photographer: John Dominis
Size: 996 x 1280 pixels (13.8 x 17.8 inches)
本帖最后由 亚瑟李 于 2012-5-11 19:09 编辑

[1904 楼] 亚瑟李 [资深泡菜]
12-5-11 18:53
从这位※※士兵玩家手中的机器可以看出，从40起，旁轴联动对焦机构被广泛地采用，相对传统机背对焦而言，所谓“快拍”之快，其实质就是因使用旁轴联动对焦方式而快。

Navy soldier holding camera.
Location: US
Date taken: 1942
Photographer: George Strock
Size: 1041 x 1280 pixels (14.5 x 17.8 inches)
Size: 1011 x 1280 pixels (14.0 x 17.8 inches)